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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    So it has to be a rule change to rate an asterisk?
    I'm not saying it "has to be" anything. Those are your words, not mine.

    LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    You really think the shift made no difference in his stats?
    I don't see one. Do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I don't see one. Do you?
    I saw many plays where Papi lined out to a third infielder on the right side and very few hits into the open hole on the left side of the IF.

    You sincerely did not not notice any of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I saw many plays where Papi lined out to a third infielder on the right side and very few hits into the open hole on the left side of the IF.

    You sincerely did not not notice any of that?
    Not talking about individual plays, talking about yearly numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Not talking about individual plays, talking about yearly numbers.
    So, individual plays don't affect yearly numbers?

    Would 10-25 more singles over a season make a yearly difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    Did they put an asterisk next to anyone who played counting a Sac Fly as a time at bat? Did they put an asterisk next to stats of players who took special vitamins, and set HR records? Did they put an asterisk next to stats when there were more games added to the schedule? I could go on, and on. Did you think about his, or are you just throwing out comments. I’m not criticizing, or anything, but just asking.
    Yes. At least once, but it did garner a lot of attention…

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I'm not saying it "has to be" anything. Those are your words, not mine.

    LOL!
    I wasn’t saying it, but just asking it. I’m fine with asterisk, and there are many different instances I have mentioned. You was the one who brought up asterisk in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Not talking about individual plays, talking about yearly numbers.
    Take his last season, where he hit .315 in 537 ABs and 626 PAs.

    Add 10 hits and he's at .333

    Add 20: .351

    Add 26: .363

    What would Ted Williams' BA career be?

    Give him 40 hits over 19 seasons: he goes from .344 to .350.

    Give him 80: .355

    120: .360
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    I wasn’t saying it, but just asking it. I’m fine with asterisk, and there are many different instances I have mentioned. You was the one who brought up asterisk in the first place.
    Yes, your words, not mine.

    It's my opinion, there should be an asterisk. There probably should be one for other things, and I'm fine with talking about those, if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Yes, your words, not mine.

    It's my opinion, there should be an asterisk. There probably should be one for other things, and I'm fine with talking about those, if you want.
    I’m not disagreeing on asterisk, but how would you judge what would have happened with the shift. We can figure out what Ted would have hit without counting the Sac Fly as a time AB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    So, individual plays don't affect yearly numbers?

    Would 10-25 more singles over a season make a yearly difference?
    Of course, but what makes you think the shift only took hits away from him and didn't give any back?

    I think there are actually stats on hitting against the shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Of course, but what makes you think the shift only took hits away from him and didn't give any back?

    I think there are actually stats on hitting against the shift.
    I’m certain it took more away than it gave, and I’m surprised you doubt that.

    Sure, a debate might be on how many hits but I think it’s certain many more taken away than given.

    How many times did we wonder why he didn’t just bunt down the 3B line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    I’m not disagreeing on asterisk, but how would you judge what would have happened with the shift. We can figure out what Ted would have hit without counting the Sac Fly as a time AB.
    I’m not saying it has to be quantifiable to get the asterisk. If anything, the sac fly rule can be figured out, so to me, there is less need on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I’m certain it took more away than it gave, and I’m surprised you doubt that.

    Sure, a debate might be on how many hits but I think it’s certain many more taken away than given.

    How many times did we wonder why he didn’t just bunt down the 3B line.
    I was not one of those people wondering why he didn't bunt more.

    He hit over .300 in 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2016.

    Maybe we should look at his BABip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I’m not saying it has to be quantifiable to get the asterisk. If anything, the sac fly rule can be figured out, so to me, there is less need on that one.
    The sac fly thing would be easy to figure out the impact. How many more hits Ty Cobb might have gotten on artificial turf is more troublesome…

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