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    A rival scout's take on the Red Sox' bullpen: "It's brutal."

    Red Sox relievers with a lot to prove early here.


    That's a big yikes.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    @ChrisCotillo
    A rival scout's take on the Red Sox' bullpen: "It's brutal."

    Red Sox relievers with a lot to prove early here.


    That's a big yikes.
    What do scouts know? Jonah Hill shut them all up in the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    What do scouts know? Jonah Hill shut them all up in the movie.
    Scouts are younger and sexier now with access to FanGraphs.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    @ChrisCotillo
    A rival scout's take on the Red Sox' bullpen: "It's brutal."

    Red Sox relievers with a lot to prove early here.


    That's a big yikes.
    Let the bullpen rants commence. Game 1.

    FTR, I don't blame the pen for today's loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Let the bullpen rants commence. Game 1.

    FTR, I don't blame the pen for today's loss.
    As of today, the Sox today have more blown saves (2) than games played…

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Scouts are younger and sexier now with access to FanGraphs.
    Sexier than Jonah Hill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Let the bullpen rants commence. Game 1.

    FTR, I don't blame the pen for today's loss.
    Can't put all the blame on the pen for this loss. But it is a concern that the Yankees do seem to have the better bullpen. And just about every close game comes down to the bullpens.
    Old school is good school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    As of today, the Sox today have more blown saves (2) than games played…
    Ha. Don't get me started on 'blown saves'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    Can't put all the blame on the pen for this loss. But it is a concern that the Yankees do seem to have the better bullpen. And just about every close game comes down to the bullpens.
    I do not disagree. We'll have to see how our pen does over the next couple of months. I don't think it's as bad as many people think it is. I would put it at league average. Hopefully, the offense is strong enough to overcome any shortcomings of the pen in most of the games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    Can't put all the blame on the pen for this loss. But it is a concern that the Yankees do seem to have the better bullpen. And just about every close game comes down to the bullpens.
    Any thought of sticking with Whitlock today even after he gave up the dinger? He was going at least 3 if not 4 if they would have been ahead.

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    The damn man on second to start the inning rule makes it very hard to judge the effectiveness of an extra inning RP'er's outing.

    They don't count it as an earned run, but it kinda feels like one.

    Officially, today our starter and pen did this:

    SP: 5 IP 3 ER 5 Hits & 1 BB & 1 HBP & 2 HR

    RP: 6 IP 1 ER (plus the 2 " non earned" runs allowed in extras.) 5 hits & 3 BB & 1 HBP & 1 HR

    Just looking at the numbers, the pen did slightly better than Eovaldi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    The damn man on second to start the inning rule makes it very hard to judge the effectiveness of an extra inning RP'er's outing.

    They don't count it as an earned run, but it kinda feels like one.

    Officially, today our starter and pen did this:

    SP: 5 IP 3 ER 5 Hits & 1 BB & 1 HBP & 2 HR

    RP: 6 IP 1 ER (plus the 2 " non earned" runs allowed in extras.) 5 hits & 3 BB & 1 HBP & 1 HR

    Just looking at the numbers, the pen did slightly better than Eovaldi.

    I do not like the " ghost runner" rule. It distorts the game. That said , the Yankee reliever did a better job of dealing with it than our guys did.
    Old school is good school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Ha. Don't get me started on 'blown saves'.
    A blown save is simply having a lead late in the game , then losing that lead. Not something that you want to see , especially when it results in a loss. A save represents a close game that goes into the win column. Some folks don't like those stats , but the object is to win.
    Old school is good school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    @ChrisCotillo
    A rival scout's take on the Red Sox' bullpen: "It's brutal."

    Red Sox relievers with a lot to prove early here.


    That's a big yikes.
    Maybe “dumpster fire” is a better description!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    The damn man on second to start the inning rule makes it very hard to judge the effectiveness of an extra inning RP'er's outing.

    They don't count it as an earned run, but it kinda feels like one.

    Officially, today our starter and pen did this:

    SP: 5 IP 3 ER 5 Hits & 1 BB & 1 HBP & 2 HR

    RP: 6 IP 1 ER (plus the 2 " non earned" runs allowed in extras.) 5 hits & 3 BB & 1 HBP & 1 HR

    Just looking at the numbers, the pen did slightly better than Eovaldi.

    Takes a lot of parsing to arrive at that, doesn't it?
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