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    Quote Originally Posted by vjcsmoke View Post
    It's been a terrible start for Chaim Bloom.

    If we lose Devers and Bogaerts as well we'll have gone a thousand percent backwards, chased out all the premium talent from Boston and replaced it with subpar performers.

    This season alone Bloom subtracts Hunter Renfroe and adds Trevor Story for 140m and JBJ each sporting a sub .600 OPS.

    It's a bit soon. But not a lot of positive impact from Bloom's wheeling and dealing so far. We shed salary, we shipped out top end talent, we get back, what exactly, a 10-17 team that looks like it has no shot of competing for the division title or even making the playoffs?
    Actually and somewhat sadly, i think that you have summed it up pretty well.

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    Offensively we are terrible. Of players with 10 or more at bats, only Bogaerts and Martinez have an OBP above 0.310. That's a serious problem.
    For us to be competitive we need to have 4 to 6 guys with OBP above 0.360 and a team OBP above 0.339 (we are at 0.280).

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    With our prospect list supposedly improving, it is surprising we haven't brought up anyone other than Duran for one game, since we are clearly deficient in run scoring capability. Time to bolster the lineup, as expecting Bogaerts, Devers and Martinez to carry the load is not working.

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    Why fire the guy who was done exactly what he was hired to do? In case of failure, you already have the fall guy (Cora) in place who you can certainly replace with some assistant to the assistant from Tampa and save another boatload of money.
    "Fans have become more entitled than anything. So they're starting to question our motives for the game, or how we approach the game. The ones that do question -- like who are you? Just shut up and watch the game tonight." --Kevin Durant on players' lack of effort in regular season games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jad View Post
    Why fire the guy who was done exactly what he was hired to do? In case of failure, you already have the fall guy (Cora) in place who you can certainly replace with some assistant to the assistant from Tampa and save another boatload of money.
    Scene from the movie Moneyball... John Henry to Billy Beane: "Anybody who's not tearing their team down right now and rebuilding it, using your model -- they're dinosaurs!"

    The scene depicted the famous Fenway Park meeting where Henry made a lucrative offer to recruit Beane to run the big-market Red Sox the same way he did in small-market Oakland.

    No one anywhere has ever said the movie characters portrayed their real-life characters out of character...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Scene from the movie Moneyball... John Henry to Billy Beane: "Anybody who's not tearing their team down right now and rebuilding it, using your model -- they're dinosaurs!"

    The scene depicted the famous Fenway Park meeting where Henry made a lucrative offer to recruit Beane to run the big-market Red Sox the same way he did in small-market Oakland.

    No one anywhere has ever said the movie characters portrayed their real-life characters out of character...
    Oh well, it took Henry 20 years to oversee his first tear-down with the Red Sox. Looks like it's going to be a doozy.
    Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1

    The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Oh well, it took Henry 20 years to oversee his first tear-down with the Red Sox. Looks like it's going to be a doozy.
    Ironically -- or deviously -- it appears the players saw right through the scam going into the season, and have decided to tank their own values so Bloom won't be able to maximize any decent returns at the deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Ironically -- or deviously -- it appears the players saw right through the scam going into the season, and have decided to tank their own values so Bloom won't be able to maximize any decent returns at the deadline.
    Possible exceptions:

    Eovaldi
    Bogey
    JDM
    Wacha
    Hill
    Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1

    The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Possible exceptions:

    Eovaldi
    Bogey
    JDM
    Wacha
    Hill
    I'd move Wacha and Hill first, before they turn into pumpkins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    I'd move Wacha and Hill first, before they turn into pumpkins.
    Hill is what he is, and at 42 I don’t think he’ll turn into a pumpkin. Squash maybe, but if Wacha keeps it up no doubt.

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    Wacha is getting by on smoke and mirrors. Deal him before he corrects
    Hal sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Ironically -- or deviously -- it appears the players saw right through the scam going into the season, and have decided to tank their own values so Bloom won't be able to maximize any decent returns at the deadline.
    Why didn't they think it was a scam, last year?

    On paper, the teams were of pretty similar value on opening day.

    (Remember, we added Scwarber, Iggy, Shaw and Robles, last summer.)
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Doh View Post
    Offensively we are terrible. Of players with 10 or more at bats, only Bogaerts and Martinez have an OBP above 0.310. That's a serious problem.
    For us to be competitive we need to have 4 to 6 guys with OBP above 0.360 and a team OBP above 0.339 (we are at 0.280).
    Did you forget about Devers? I don't know what ihis OBP is, but Ill bet it's above his average, which alone is better than .310.
    "Fans have become more entitled than anything. So they're starting to question our motives for the game, or how we approach the game. The ones that do question -- like who are you? Just shut up and watch the game tonight." --Kevin Durant on players' lack of effort in regular season games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Why didn't they think it was a scam, last year?

    On paper, the teams were of pretty similar value on opening day.

    (Remember, we added Scwarber, Iggy, Shaw and Robles, last summer.)
    Because the Red Sox didn't lowball and insult their best player and face of the franchise with a public desire of loving and wanting to stay in Boston...

    ... while paying an inferior outsider more as his potential replacement...

    ... on the eve of the season...

    ... in which half a dozen other veteran mainstays were also about to play their contract years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Because the Red Sox didn't lowball and insult their best player and face of the franchise with a public desire of loving and wanting to stay in Boston...

    ... while paying an inferior outsider more as his potential replacement...

    ... on the eve of the season...

    ... in which half a dozen other veteran mainstays were also about to play their contract years...
    Right.

    And how many of those players have Scott “Let me take you to free agency” Boras as their agent?

    Again, no counteroffer from Bogaerts? Don’t feed me the “he was too insulted” bullshit. Because chances are very good he wasn’t even there and because saying “no” without a counter is an old and extremely well-known Boras tactic.

    But if your argument is these guys are intentionally tanking because they are not being overpaid enough - let them all fucking walk. Seriously.

    I can understand concern over contract. But tanking because of someone else’s contract? That shouldn’t be condoned…

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