Fire Bloom .

[Bellhorn04]

It’s nice to know there’s something you understand.

 

To be fair to me, journalists all over the Internet are saying 4 years.

 

Example: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/ex-red-sox-prospect-noah-song-joining-phillies-training-camp

 

 

Halfway down the paragraph starts “Song hasn’t pitched competitively in four years…”

 

 

So it’s not hard to spot the origins…

 

Sheeple are gonna sheeple.

[Old Red]

I heard 4 years all over talk radio.

 

W O W! Blaming it on talk radio.

[mvp 78]

Journalist: one who is unable to complete a 5th grade math word problem.

[moonslav59]

W O W! Blaming it on talk radio.

 

Blaming them for what?

 

I heard talk radio is the pulse of Sox Nation and the truth, but good thing I don't believe everything I hear.

[notin]

W O W! Blaming it on talk radio.

 

So are you denying they say it?

 

It’s certainly in print all over. Not too hard to believe the radio people are also saying it…

[moonslav59]

So are you denying they say it?

 

It’s certainly in print all over. Not too hard to believe the radio people are also saying it…

 

Unless he hears it, trees never fall in a forest.

[Old Red]

Blaming them for what?

 

I heard talk radio is the pulse of Sox Nation and the truth, but good thing I don't believe everything I hear.

 

But yet you believed this one. I don’t think talk radio is the pulse of Red Sox Nation anymore than I think talksox is the pulse of Red Sox Nation.

Edited March 2, 2023 by Old Red

[Old Red]

So are you denying they say it?

 

It’s certainly in print all over. Not too hard to believe the radio people are also saying it…

 

It’s not a question who said it, or who thought it. The main point is that it’s as simple as 1-2-3. How much easier can it get.

[moonslav59]

But yet you believed this one. I don’t think talk radio is the pulse of Red Sox Nation anymore than I think talksox is the pulse of Red Sox Nation.

 

Lies.

[Old Red]

Lies.

 

Not at all. Like I said before you have to get out to different venues. Local watering holes, bowling alleys, and gyms just to name a few is the real pulse.

[moonslav59]

Not at all. Like I said before you have to get out to different venues. Local watering holes, bowling alleys, and gyms just to name a few is the real pulse.

 

I pledged not to go personal.

[Old Red]

I pledged not to go personal.

 

Why would you have to go personal? All over not understanding 1-2-3, and blaming talk radio? Most others on here got the 1-2-3.

[moonslav59]

Why would you have to go personal? All over not understanding 1-2-3, and blaming talk radio? Most others on here got the 1-2-3.

 

Prod all you want, but I won't go where you keep going.

 

Stop the lies.

[Old Red]

Prod all you want, but I won't go where you keep going.

 

Stop the lies.

 

What is a lie? You didn’t get the 1-2-3, and you blamed talk radio, and others called you out on not getting the 1-2-3 that you haven’t mentioned, so it wasn’t just me.

[moonslav59]

What is a lie? You didn’t get the 1-2-3, and you blamed talk radio, and others called you out on not getting the 1-2-3 that you haven’t mentioned, so it wasn’t just me.

 

2 lies and a bait. Not unusual.

 

1. I totally got the 1-2-3.

 

2. I didn't "blame talk radio." I just said they made the claim.

 

3. Others called me out on what? On saying pitching in 2019 and 2023, assuming he does, is closer to 4 years that 3 between them, while mentioning that saying 3 years off is also totally correct, needs to be countered? Why?

 

You are baiting- otherwise known as trolling. You are going personal. I won't

 

You and your "someone else agrees with me" mantra is worthless.

[Old Red]

2 lies and a bait. Not unusual.

 

1. I totally got the 1-2-3.

 

2. I didn't "blame talk radio." I just said they made the claim.

 

3. Others called me out on what? On saying pitching in 2019 and 2023, assuming he does, is closer to 4 years that 3 between them, while mentioning that saying 3 years off is also totally correct, needs to be countered? Why?

 

You are baiting- otherwise known as trolling. You are going personal. I won't

 

You and your "someone else agrees with me" mantra is worthless.

 

Why you continue to insist that when Song last pitched in Nov 2019, which was established by another poster until Feb 2023 when Song started throwing again is closer to 4 yrs than three years. It must be some kind of new math that only a few know about, and is also wrong in the process. Those are stone cold facts, and now you want to accuse of lies, and trolling. Others have countered your wrong assumptions on here, which is a fact also, so what is worthless is you injecting yourself into the conversation in the first place, and being wrong in the process. Remember it was just so easy as 1-2-3.

[Bellhorn04]

You could actually make an argument that Song's hiatus was only 2 years, compared to other prospects at least, because the 2020 minor league season was wiped out by COVID.

 

Anyone up for that discussion?

[Old Red]

You could actually make an argument that Song's hiatus was only 2 years, compared to other prospects at least, because the 2020 minor league season was wiped out by COVID.

 

Anyone up for that discussion?

 

Good point. DD probably had that figured in.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You could actually make an argument that Song's hiatus was only 2 years, compared to other prospects at least, because the 2020 minor league season was wiped out by COVID.

 

Anyone up for that discussion?

 

I noah song: "Nothing from nothing leaves nothing -- you gotta have something, if you wanna be with me..."

 

... it's by a little-known Beatle (added to the group in the Rule IV draft, circa 1970)

[notin]

You could actually make an argument that Song's hiatus was only 2 years, compared to other prospects at least, because the 2020 minor league season was wiped out by COVID.

 

Anyone up for that discussion?

 

So you’re saying that because the 2020 season was wiped out, the Earth didn’t go around the sun?

 

You did say his hiatus was 2 years, not seasons…

[notin]

Good point. DD probably had that figured in.

 

Probably not.

 

Song’s entire career consists of 17 IP in Rookie Ball back in 2019. What should be indisputable is that is poor preparation for pitching an entire season in MLB in 2023.

 

DD needs Song to get MiLB time. That should also not be in dispute.

 

At some point, he also needs to add him to the 40 man roster, too. (I’m assuming it will be when Harper hits the 60 day IL. Although why he’s waiting on that is also a mystery.)

Edited March 2, 2023 by notin

[mvp 78]

Not at all. Like I said before you have to get out to different venues. Local watering holes, bowling alleys, and gyms just to name a few is the real pulse.

 

I would say even those places to encompass a wide enough segment of "Red Sox Nation" to be fair. You'd need to include young, old, women, men, all sort to really get "the pulse." Even the crowds at Fenway tend to have a skewed contingent of people "just happy to be there" since they paid $500 to show up. Even professional services like Rasmussen can't get polling accurate sometimes.

 

My guess is that the average Sox fan will have forgotten about Song by Opening Day, is lukewarm about Bloom and just wants the Sox to be a competitive team. They probably don't expect a WS every 5 years.

[mvp 78]

You could actually make an argument that Song's hiatus was only 2 years, compared to other prospects at least, because the 2020 minor league season was wiped out by COVID.

 

Anyone up for that discussion?

 

If he wasn't at flight school, would the Sox have brought him to WOO? I think they brought some other young guys there. My guess is that he's of a high enough stature in the org that they work directly with him rather that let him sit at home for the year.

[mvp 78]

I noah song: "Nothing from nothing leaves nothing -- you gotta have something, if you wanna be with me..."

 

... it's by a little-known Beatle (added to the group in the Rule IV draft, circa 1970)

 

You try to make things work and gain something

It's all no use, it's all worth nothing

Complete satisfaction, too impossible to believe

Nothing's ever f***ing gonna work for me

 

Tomorrow seems so hopeless

Can't keep it off my mind

Another day of nothing

I'm running out of time

I've got nothing I can look forward to

I'm always left with nothing

 

I'm always told things I don't want to hear

My destiny's become quite clear

Life's never f***ing given nothing to me

It's just stood by and watched me bleed

 

Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing

[mvp 78]

Probably not.

 

Song’s entire career consists of 17 IP in Rookie Ball back in 2019. What should be indisputable is that is poor preparation for pitching an entire season in MLB in 2023.

 

DD needs Song to get MiLB time. That should also not be in dispute.

 

At some point, he also needs to add him to the 40 man roster, too. (I’m assuming it will be when Harper hits the 60 day IL. Although why he’s waiting on that is also a mystery.)

 

Unless he needs to sign someone today, there's no real reason to rush a move. Whether he puts Harper on the IL today or 3/29, IDK if it makes a difference. Like I said yesterday, a lot of the offseason roster rules are convoluted.

 

Does Song also have a 15 day Military List period he can use where he doesn't have to be on the active roster?

[notin]

Unless he needs to sign someone today, there's no real reason to rush a move. Whether he puts Harper on the IL today or 3/29, IDK if it makes a difference. Like I said yesterday, a lot of the offseason roster rules are convoluted.

 

Does Song also have a 15 day Military List period he can use where he doesn't have to be on the active roster?

 

 

I assume he will get his 15 days in the minors, but I’m not so sure he can be off the 40 man roster for them…

[Old Red]

I would say even those places to encompass a wide enough segment of "Red Sox Nation" to be fair. You'd need to include young, old, women, men, all sort to really get "the pulse." Even the crowds at Fenway tend to have a skewed contingent of people "just happy to be there" since they paid $500 to show up. Even professional services like Rasmussen can't get polling accurate sometimes.

 

My guess is that the average Sox fan will have forgotten about Song by Opening Day, is lukewarm about Bloom and just wants the Sox to be a competitive team. They probably don't expect a WS every 5 years.

 

You are probably right about the average Sox fan. I just think the more places you go to even the dreaded sports talk radio you get more of a sample size of the different opinions out there, and not just in Red Sox Nation, which to me is better.

[Hugh2]

My god this is the dumbest f***ing argument ever.

 

Song hasn't been pitched since 2019, people see it's the 2023 season coming up. They do simple math and get to 4, but when you really think about it by the time he pitches this year it will have been closer to 3 1/3 - 3 1/2 a year. Whoopdy f***ing do, what point does anyone think they are making here?

 

This does absolutely 100% ZERO to do with the fact that it's been a very long time since he's pitched competitively. Does anyone actually think there's a HUGE drop-off in velocity and stuff going from 3.33 years to 4 years?

 

That's a long time to not pitch AND make a jump from low A to the majors and STICK. Even if Song turns into the next Scherzer it will have been the right call to not have protected someone who fits his profile. Guys like him don't get picked, it was called unprecedented and the only jackal the say otherwise (Peter Abraham) is a baffoon who doesn't know what he's talking about. EVEN HE WALKED back his own comments and said he overreacted. He probably gets returned or the Sox gets an asset for him.

 

There's are a billion reasons to call the Sox FO incompetent, but we'd be better off blaming the rain on them at this point.

 

Seriously, I nominate the conversation in this thread over the last week for the dumbest convo in Talksox history award. PLEASE can we get the regular season and just have more interesting things to talk about.

 

Talk about straws...damn.

[mvp 78]

I assume he will get his 15 days in the minors, but I’m not so sure he can be off the 40 man roster for them…

 

Probably not. My guess is that the Phillies will have a good idea by Opening Day if he'd even be ready for a mid-April bullpen spot. The extra 15 days would just delay the inevitable.

[mvp 78]

My god this is the dumbest f***ing argument ever.

 

We've had dumber.