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Thread: A Realistic View at 2022: Part III

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I never said it was. Some people like to infer things on here though.
    You inferred I said you did say those were the only two choices. I did not.

    Your point was you thought he does not have a lock on an opening day 26 slot, and he may not. His sucess may very well not "carry over," but I think he will be given a chance to prove he does not belong byond ST'ing.

    Being better than Pham and a RH'd bat works in his favor. If we add a RF'er, like I think we will, he still has the inside track at the 4th OF'er slot over Pham (at $6M) and Cordero.

    I'm not sure how bad he'd have to be in ST'ing to lose a shot at the opening day roster.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Being "dismissive" isn't the same as "not penciling in" or "not expecting it." He'll have to earn the playing time next Spring. Maybe he gets a bench spot and produces in April and gets more at bats over time.
    IMO, Pham, who may not even be offered the $6M option, and Cordero have to earn the right to supplant Ref as the current 3rd or 4th OF'er- likely 4th after we add a RF'er.

    He's not "pencilled in," as in locked into a slot, but the 4th OF'er slot is his to lose, IMO.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    IMO, Pham, who may not even be offered the $6M option, and Cordero have to earn the right to supplant Ref as the current 3rd or 4th OF'er- likely 4th after we add a RF'er.

    He's not "pencilled in," as in locked into a slot, but the 4th OF'er slot is his to lose, IMO.
    I'm not sure I want Pham on this team in 2023. He's a LF only guy. I think I'd rather the Sox find a RF glove and move Verdugo back to LF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I'm not sure I want Pham on this team in 2023. He's a LF only guy. I think I'd rather the Sox find a RF glove and move Verdugo back to LF.
    I'm all for...

    LF Verdugo
    CF Kike
    RF Nimmo
    4th Refsnyder
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I'm all for...

    LF Verdugo
    CF Kike
    RF Nimmo
    4th Refsnyder
    I'd rather them have someone else in mind for the 4th OF slot that Refsnyder can beat out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I'd rather them have someone else in mind for the 4th OF slot that Refsnyder can beat out.
    I'm not against that idea, but we all know we have much higher priorities than 4th OF'er and will likely not have enough budget space to try and upgrade there. (Maybe, mid-season, if needed.)
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I'm not against that idea, but we all know we have much higher priorities than 4th OF'er and will likely not have enough budget space to try and upgrade there. (Maybe, mid-season, if needed.)
    Aren't they going to be over the luxury tax threshold anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Aren't they going to be over the luxury tax threshold anyway?
    I'm not so sure, and even when they do go over, it often not by much.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I'm not so sure, and even when they do go over, it often not by much.
    If it's "just" a one year contract, does it matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    If it's "just" a one year contract, does it matter?
    Not as much, and certainly if the idea is not to re-set in 2023 but in 2024 for sure.

    To me, 2023 makes more sense for a re-set, but the fans are getting very restless.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I'm all for...

    LF Verdugo
    CF Kike
    RF Nimmo
    4th Refsnyder
    How soon do we think Ceddanne will make the 26 man? He may well be an exciting player and a low cost one at that. I get the impression from the reports, he is knocking on the door of making the team sometime during 2023. It looks like he could be a CF or RF candidate. If so, we should be careful about giving long term contracts to other outfielders. I think Kike's is a one year for $10 mil. Based on his offensive performance this year I wonder if that was a wise move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    How soon do we think Ceddanne will make the 26 man? He may well be an exciting player and a low cost one at that. I get the impression from the reports, he is knocking on the door of making the team sometime during 2023. It looks like he could be a CF or RF candidate. If so, we should be careful about giving long term contracts to other outfielders. I think Kike's is a one year for $10 mil. Based on his offensive performance this year I wonder if that was a wise move.[/B]
    I think his defense is already ML ready, at more than one position.

    His offense took a big step forward, but my guess is he'll be up in 2024.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    How soon do we think Ceddanne will make the 26 man? He may well be an exciting player and a low cost one at that. I get the impression from the reports, he is knocking on the door of making the team sometime during 2023. It looks like he could be a CF or RF candidate. If so, we should be careful about giving long term contracts to other outfielders. I think Kike's is a one year for $10 mil. Based on his offensive performance this year I wonder if that was a wise move.

    Kike’s one year contract is the perfect stop for Rafaela…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Kike’s one year contract is the perfect stop for Rafaela…
    We may even sign a RF'er for 1 year.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    We may even sign a RF'er for 1 year.
    Nimmo!!!

    And not Gallo!!

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