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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    So who are the big free agents coming up for auction next year - besides our own?
    We'll find out once Bloom starts compiling his list of over-paid mediocrities to replace Bogey and Devers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jad View Post
    We'll find out once Bloom starts compiling his list of over-paid mediocrities to replace Bogey and Devers.
    Like he paid Wacha and Hill less than Richards and Perez?

    Like Schreiber & Strahm less than Ottavino & Andriese?
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    I have Sox offering Xander $200M/6years. I doubt he'll do any better.

    You have to make choices. I rather take Kike's $7M and Wacha's $7M and pay Xander. We gave Wacha a one year deal for a reason.
    If Xander wants $200mill over 6 years, I’d be surprised if he found a taker. You’re probably looking at 2 prime years before he starts to decline for which he gets $66.7 mill and then 4 years of his descent that earns him $133.4 mill. I don’t think many teams will want 2/3 of a $30mill AAV contract after the age of 32…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    If Xander wants $200mill over 6 years, I’d be surprised if he found a taker. You’re probably looking at 2 prime years before he starts to decline for which he gets $66.7 mill and then 4 years of his descent that earns him $133.4 mill. I don’t think many teams will want 2/3 of a $30mill AAV contract after the age of 32…
    It's hard to know.

    If you go by the Baez and Story comps, $200M/6 is too high, but I think he's got better name recognition and maybe the ability to generate more fan excitement than the two similar comps that signed, this winter.

    fWAR from 2018-2022
    17.4 Bogey (18.7 bWAR)
    16.6 Baez (18.8 bWAR)
    15.8 Story (19.5 bWAR)
    15.6 Semien
    15.1 Correa (who is younger)
    10.3 Seager (who is younger)
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    It's hard to know.

    If you go by the Baez and Story comps, $200M/6 is too high, but I think he's got better name recognition and maybe the ability to generate more fan excitement than the two similar comps that signed, this winter.

    fWAR from 2018-2022
    17.4 Bogey (18.7 bWAR)
    16.6 Baez (18.8 bWAR)
    15.8 Story (19.5 bWAR)
    15.6 Semien
    15.1 Correa (who is younger)
    10.3 Seager (who is younger)
    Semien is older than Bogey (20.4 bWAR 2018-2022)
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    It's hard to know.

    If you go by the Baez and Story comps, $200M/6 is too high, but I think he's got better name recognition and maybe the ability to generate more fan excitement than the two similar comps that signed, this winter.

    fWAR from 2018-2022
    17.4 Bogey (18.7 bWAR)
    16.6 Baez (18.8 bWAR)
    15.8 Story (19.5 bWAR)
    15.6 Semien
    15.1 Correa (who is younger)
    10.3 Seager (who is younger)
    It's hard to even compare winter to winter and player to player. I'm not sure anyone could have forecasted what Seager got from the Rangers.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    It's hard to even compare winter to winter and player to player. I'm not sure anyone could have forecasted what Seager got from the Rangers.
    That was absurd, especially in light of what Baez and Story got. I think we have to view that contract as an outlier, but maybe Bogey is not viewing it that way.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    That was absurd, especially in light of what Baez and Story got. I think we have to view that contract as an outlier, but maybe Bogey is not viewing it that way.
    "but maybe" Boras, Boras, Boras!

    ps. I'm in the camp that thinks this could be a JD comp, when Boras had to settle for half of his opening demands in '18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    "but maybe" Boras, Boras, Boras!
    I'm not good at predicting what FAs will get, but I think Bogey gets $200M/6 or more.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I'm not good at predicting what FAs will get, but I think Bogey gets $200M/6 or more.
    But how many big contracts can St. Louis give out? As many as Boston? At least the Redbirds are always all-in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    But how many big contracts can St. Louis give out? As many as Boston? At least the Redbirds are always all-in...
    Who has the most WS rings since 2000?
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Sorry. I noticed this afterwards.

    My bad.
    What is the earliest in a season that a part 3 has been started?

    And as far as me wishing the sox's season is over already, I have mixed emotions on that. Part of me enjoys watching them inhabit the basement, part of me would like to see them miss the playoffs on the last day of the season and part of me would like to eliminate them in the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Who has the most WS rings since 2000?
    The last-place team in half the years the past decade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDavis76 View Post
    What is the earliest in a season that a part 3 has been started?
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    I think I have usually waited until the trade deadline, unless we are out of it before then.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDavis76 View Post
    And as far as me wishing the sox's season is over already, I have mixed emotions on that. Part of me enjoys watching them inhabit the basement, part of me would like to see them miss the playoffs on the last day of the season and part of me would like to eliminate them in the playoffs.
    Gotta love the Sox 3-0 run of eliminating the Yankees in the playoffs!
    Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1

    The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.

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