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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    And for those convinced Mookie wanted out of Boston, remember the day after he was traded that Jim Rice on NESN quoted Betts from a personal phone call: "This is where I want to be."
    Words are cheap. Actions are more telling.

    Mookie didn't have to sign an extension with the Dodgers. We all thought he was one of those guys who wanted to take the risk and get to free agency.

    Seems like he wanted to be in LA, does it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Words are cheap. Actions are more telling.

    Mookie didn't have to sign an extension with the Dodgers. We all thought he was one of those guys who wanted to take the risk and get to free agency.

    Seems like he wanted to be in LA, does it not?
    Tough to say. We were two months of cancelled games into the season when he finally signed. If the Dodgers were the goal, he certainly strung them along for a while…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Tough to say. We were two months of cancelled games into the season when he finally signed. If the Dodgers were the goal, he certainly strung them along for a while…
    Do you know when the Dodgers presented the offer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    The only thing is, "fair market value" is a matter of opinion. There's no consistency at all in the deals guys get.

    Seager got $325 million.
    Correa, who is 5 months younger and has a higher career WAR, got $105 million (with opt-outs each year).

    That's a wild disparity for two similar players.

    It's not a rational market.
    Therein lies the futility of talking numbers when it comes to dollar signs. Just consider the debates here: Well, he may be worth $20 million, but no one deserves $30 million to play a kid's game!

    MLB may be irrational, but it's full of young men -- many without business degrees -- who hire successful agents to get them the best possible rations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Do you know when the Dodgers presented the offer?
    No. I would assume negotiations began shortly after the trade because I doubt the Dodgers viewed Mookie as a one season rental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    No. I would assume negotiations began shortly after the trade because I doubt the Dodgers viewed Mookie as a one season rental.
    You're assuming facts not in evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Therein lies the futility of talking numbers when it comes to dollar signs. Just consider the debates here: Well, he may be worth $20 million, but no one deserves $30 million to play a kid's game!

    MLB may be irrational, but it's full of young men -- many without business degrees -- who hire successful agents to get them the best possible rations.
    Right, but why did Seager score and Correa get left on the sidelines? Blind luck, perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Do you know when the Dodgers presented the offer?
    I suppose it’s very possible Mookie had no intention of signing with LA. But after some 50 games of his option year were cancelled and there was no end in sight, he reconsidered his position.

    Did that happen? We’ll never know. Possible? Certainly…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Right, but why did Seager score and Correa get left on the sidelines? Blind luck, perhaps?
    Word got out that Correa spends his winters throwing rocks at old people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Word got out that Correa spends his winters throwing rocks at old people?
    This is supposed to be a serious discussion!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    You're assuming facts not in evidence.
    Totally assuming.

    But it is a very common practice. Like happened with Lindor one year before.

    It makes sense to know what their budget would be as early as possible since they didn’t know there would be a pandemic and probably wanted to make other moves that they needed to know whether or not they could afford..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    This is supposed to be a serious discussion!
    And throwing rocks at old people is such frivolous behavior…

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    Right, but why did Seager score and Correa get left on the sidelines? Blind luck, perhaps?
    All we can do is do what we do: speculate (this is why some posters need to relax... unless, of course, they're secret agents planted here by the Red Sox PR dept).

    With Seager, maybe there was a bidding war -- it only takes two. And maybe, both were division rivals...

    ... or one was the Yankees, who maybe preferred Seager for his lefty swing to aim at jokefield in Yankee Stadium... and for his non-Correa villainous Astro history. If there was any club that had reason to avoid Carlos, it was NY, especially after he dissed Jeter's D (omg).

    Btw: re. Story, we really shouldn't be that surprised by his horrendous nightly swings and misses -- now in his 7th year, his 162-game average is 190 strikeouts. When I was a kid, Bobby Bonds set the all-time single season K record with 189 in 1970. The bigger problem with Story is he almost has twice as many whiffs as hits: 41 to 22.

    But a bigger total shock has to be Marcus Semien, with only 20 hits, zero home runs, and a .157 batting average. This was a star hitter who not only just set the all-time HR record for second basemen, but a guy who was third in MVP voting for two different teams in two different cities the last two full years (no Coors factor there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    All we can do is do what we do: speculate (this is why some posters need to relax... unless, of course, they're secret agents planted here by the Red Sox PR dept).

    With Seager, maybe there was a bidding war -- it only takes two. And maybe, both were division rivals...

    ... or one was the Yankees, who maybe preferred Seager for his lefty swing to aim at jokefield in Yankee Stadium... and for his non-Correa villainous Astro history. If there was any club that had reason to avoid Carlos, it was NY, especially after he dissed Jeter's D (omg).

    Btw: re. Story, we really shouldn't be that surprised by his horrendous nightly swings and misses -- now in his 7th year, his 162-game average is 190 strikeouts. When I was a kid, Bobby Bonds set the all-time single season K record with 189 in 1970. The bigger problem with Story is he almost has twice as many whiffs as hits: 41 to 22.

    But a bigger total shock has to be Marcus Semien, with only 20 hits, zero home runs, and a .157 batting average. This was a star hitter who not only just set the all-time HR record for second basemen, but a guy who was third in MVP voting for two different teams in two different cities the last two full years (no Coors factor there).
    It's still early, and hitting is down across the board. I think these guys will all rebound. How far is yet to be determined.
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