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Thread: Most overrated member of the 500 HR club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDavis76 View Post
    And what of papi's greatly increased size? Have you seen his twins photos?
    Look, I get it. I wouldn't bet he wasn't doing something. But again, the evidence just isn't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsoxrules View Post
    The fact that it wasn't illegal back then they should all be the HOF unless they caught juicing after they started testing and suspended people for it like Arod. Mcgwire and Sosa brought back the hype. The coverage that year was insane. It was great for baseball.
    The thread subject is who is the most over rated. This has nothing to do with legal vs illegal.

    Anyone who reached that club that was aided by the use of PEDs has an unfair advantage over those who didn't, thus they are over rated IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Look, I get it. I wouldn't bet he wasn't doing something. But again, the evidence just isn't there.
    Well, he failed a test.

    And his claims about "getting to the bottom of it" ring about as hollow as OJ claiming he will find Nicole's killer.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDavis76 View Post
    The thread subject is who is the most over rated. This has nothing to do with legal vs illegal.

    Anyone who reached that club that was aided by the use of PEDs has an unfair advantage over those who didn't, thus they are over rated IMO.
    But the problem is you don't have a clue who actually reached the 500HR mark by being clean. In all honesty 90 of that list could have been juicing or doing something else ( corked bats etc )

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsoxrules View Post
    But the problem is you don't have a clue who actually reached the 500HR mark by being clean. In all honesty 90 of that list could have been juicing or doing something else ( corked bats etc )
    Plus some of the guys, regardless of steroids are not overrated. For example, Bonds was on a HOF trajectory with or without steroids and his numbers he put up were video game like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonbay44 View Post
    Plus some of the guys, regardless of steroids are not overrated. For example, Bonds was on a HOF trajectory with or without steroids and his numbers he put up were video game like.
    Yes, it's sad that he turned to the juice and tainted his great career like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsoxrules View Post
    But the problem is you don't have a clue who actually reached the 500HR mark by being clean. In all honesty 90 of that list could have been juicing or doing something else ( corked bats etc )
    ANYone who played in the roid era is suspicious. And that includes several players who made the HOF, with unbelievable numbers or unbelievable sustained longevity.

    It's unfair, but that's just the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I'm not really sure what your case against Reggie is. I hated him when he was the Yankees, and he did have some clubhouse issues, but he was a hitter to be feared.

    And his postseason numbers pretty much live up to the hype:

    77 games
    278/358/527 - 885 OPS
    18 HR
    48 RBI
    No one said he’s not a great player. But is any member of the 500 HR club more overrated than he is? Assuming any are overrated at all.

    To me the most underrated is Jim Thome. Over 600 home runs. 8th all time. And he just feels like a complete afterthought…

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    If Nelson Cruz can hit 43 more, maybe I’ll nominate him…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    No one said he’s not a great player. But is any member of the 500 HR club more overrated than he is? Assuming any are overrated at all.
    Northern Star said "Mr October my ass", so I was primarily responding to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Star View Post
    I was coming into the thread to diss on Reggie Jackson - .262 batting average and clubhouse cancer, Mr October my ass - when I discovered that a microscope would be needed to detect Harmon Killebrew's batting average.
    Harmon Killebrew had a career OPS+ of 143 and 573 home runs in 2,435 games while David Ortiz had a career OPS+ of 141 and 541 home runs in 2,408 games.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...illeha01.shtml

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...rtizda01.shtml

    Killebrew and Ortiz played in different eras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    Harmon Killebrew had a career OPS+ of 143 and 573 home runs in 2,435 games while David Ortiz had a career OPS+ of 141 and 541 home runs in 2,408 games.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...illeha01.shtml

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...rtizda01.shtml

    Killebrew and Ortiz played in different eras.
    Killebrew was a great one.
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