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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    You might need to review Beni's FanGraphs page.

    He's far from a great fielder or baserunner. In fact he's a minus in both.

    The only thing he has done well this year is hit singles.

    He has 3 HR and his ISO is an atrocious .078.
    But he is far from the automatic out that we got in return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    You might need to review Beni's FanGraphs page.

    He's far from a great fielder or baserunner. In fact he's a minus in both.

    The only thing he has done well this year is hit singles.

    He has 3 HR and his ISO is an atrocious .078.
    Depends where on Fangraphs you look. His dWAR is -2.5 but his UZR/150 is 11.5 (3rd among all outfielders). He also hasn't committed an error this season, and won a gold glove last season. I won't claim that he's a top 3 defensive OFer in baseball since I remember him having a pretty weak arm, but to claim he's a minus is just a bad opinion (in my opinion). He's clearly at least an above average fielder and hitter. Can't speak for his baserunning though, but it can't be worse than Gallo since he's never on base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkzwhitestrican View Post
    Depends where on Fangraphs you look. His dWAR is -2.5 but his UZR/150 is 11.5 (3rd among all outfielders). He also hasn't committed an error this season, and won a gold glove last season. I won't claim that he's a top 3 defensive OFer in baseball since I remember him having a pretty weak arm, but to claim he's a minus is just a bad opinion (in my opinion). He's clearly at least an above average fielder and hitter. Can't speak for his baserunning though, but it can't be worse than Gallo since he's never on base.
    And he's hitting .333 against the astros....

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    Yanks need to make a shift now. Castillo looked to be in your grasp before the Mariners decided to decimate their farm system and go after him. Time to pivot.

    They should get an update on Sevy before the deadline. If heís trending to come back, then nix the starterís market. Montas is a good player, but he may be a product of his environment and recently had shoulder trouble.

    If Iím Cashman at this point, Iím making deals for swing relievers or high leverage back end arms. KRob is one of them. They shouldnít cost too much either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkzwhitestrican View Post
    Depends where on Fangraphs you look. His dWAR is -2.5 but his UZR/150 is 11.5 (3rd among all outfielders). He also hasn't committed an error this season, and won a gold glove last season. I won't claim that he's a top 3 defensive OFer in baseball since I remember him having a pretty weak arm, but to claim he's a minus is just a bad opinion (in my opinion). He's clearly at least an above average fielder and hitter. Can't speak for his baserunning though, but it can't be worse than Gallo since he's never on base.
    You're right about the UZR/150 and I won't even try to understand how that relates to his overall dWAR.

    But in the final value summary at the bottom of the page, he has a negative defensive value every year but 2018.
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    Yanks apparently all in on Montas. I didnít realize he had another year of control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    You're right about the UZR/150 and I won't even try to understand how that relates to his overall dWAR.

    But in the final value summary at the bottom of the page, he has a negative defensive value every year but 2018.
    I think defensive metrics in general aren't too reliable. It has Judge as a negative defender this year despite outstanding play. Based on the eye test Benintendi seems like an arrive average OFer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkzwhitestrican View Post
    I think defensive metrics in general aren't too reliable. It has Judge as a negative defender this year despite outstanding play. Based on the eye test Benintendi seems like an arrive average OFer.
    I think Beni probably is about average. I think he just lost some foot speed a few years ago when he tried to bulk up for power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkzwhitestrican View Post
    Depends where on Fangraphs you look. His dWAR is -2.5 but his UZR/150 is 11.5 (3rd among all outfielders). He also hasn't committed an error this season, and won a gold glove last season. I won't claim that he's a top 3 defensive OFer in baseball since I remember him having a pretty weak arm, but to claim he's a minus is just a bad opinion (in my opinion). He's clearly at least an above average fielder and hitter. Can't speak for his baserunning though, but it can't be worse than Gallo since he's never on base.

    That column in Fangraphs isn’t dWAR. I believe it correlates to defensive runs…

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkzwhitestrican View Post
    Depends where on Fangraphs you look. His dWAR is -2.5 but his UZR/150 is 11.5 (3rd among all outfielders). He also hasn't committed an error this season, and won a gold glove last season. I won't claim that he's a top 3 defensive OFer in baseball since I remember him having a pretty weak arm, but to claim he's a minus is just a bad opinion (in my opinion). He's clearly at least an above average fielder and hitter. Can't speak for his baserunning though, but it can't be worse than Gallo since he's never on base.
    The bottom line is that you're going from a 0.2 fWAR in Gallo to a 2.1 fWAR in Beni. He's a nice pickup for the Yankees. I am not happy about the move, not because I think that Beni is a game changer, but because this is another of my former beloved players that I will have to root against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    You're right about the UZR/150 and I won't even try to understand how that relates to his overall dWAR.

    But in the final value summary at the bottom of the page, he has a negative defensive value every year but 2018.
    dWAR includes positional adjustment. Beni is playing above average left field, but because it's an easier position to play than other positions, his defense isn't as valuable as it would be if he had the same UZR/150 playing CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    dWAR includes positional adjustment. Beni is playing above average left field, but because it's an easier position to play than other positions, his defense isn't as valuable as it would be if he had the same UZR/150 playing CF.
    Thanks for the clarification.
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    Yankees get Scott Effross for Hayden Wesneski. Effross is a nasty sidearming reliever with 5 years of control. Wesneski is a big loss, IMO. He has power stuff and should slot into the Cubs rotation immediately

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch View Post
    Yankees get Scott Effross for Hayden Wesneski. Effross is a nasty sidearming reliever with 5 years of control. Wesneski is a big loss, IMO. He has power stuff and should slot into the Cubs rotation immediately
    Probably an overpay by the Yanks, but they really needed bullpen help so it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkzwhitestrican View Post
    Probably an overpay by the Yanks, but they really needed bullpen help so it makes sense.
    I'm not too concerned with losing Wesneski

    Especially with the 5yrs of control of Effros considering we will be shedding Chapman and Britton this off season.

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