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Thread: A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
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    Cora says Sox will need players to step up with Story out. Notes Duran has an opportunity to be a factor. He also says there have now been more conversations about Kiké Hernández at SS.


    He's had the opportunity since 4/1/21 and hasn't done anything with it. He's a complete waste of talent.
    Now we have to hear the "butterfly man" rant 1,000 more times!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Now we have to hear the "butterfly man" rant 1,000 more times!
    No you will hear the Bloom rant for the butterfly man even being out there. That’s an easy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I know crybaby fans work, and sometimes it's a good thing.

    The fear of crybaby fans that prevented a fire sale, or even a mini fire sale, hurt the team, going forward. No, it does not always work out for the best, but sometimes, it does, like with Devers deal, although you'd have let him walk over a few million dollars.
    All fans are crybabies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I know crybaby fans work, and sometimes it's a good thing.

    The fear of crybaby fans that prevented a fire sale, or even a mini fire sale, hurt the team, going forward. No, it does not always work out for the best, but sometimes, it does, like with Devers deal, although you'd have let him walk over a few million dollars.
    You got your mini fire sale with Vaz, and now we have no #1 C, which hurts the team going forward. That we agree on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    All fans are crybabies.
    And I’m proud to be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Now we have to hear the "butterfly man" rant 1,000 more times!
    Doesn't even make sense as the dude didn't even chase after the ball. I don't get the rant.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Doesn't even make sense as the dude didn't even chase after the ball. I don't get the rant.
    Someone made the comment that Duran plays the OF like he’s chasing butterflies when he’s trying to track fly balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    You got your mini fire sale with Vaz, and now we have no #1 C, which hurts the team going forward. That we agree on.
    McGuire is as good as Vazquez…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    McGuire is as good as Vazquez…
    He’s a backup, and won’t match ALL of Vaz clutch hits throughout the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    Someone made the comment that Duran plays the OF like he’s chasing butterflies when he’s trying to track fly balls.
    So now we're stuck with "the Butterfly Man." Not "the monarch"? Not "skipper" or "swallowtail"?

    See, I'd go with "sulphur" because

    1. butterfly reference
    2. sulfur in UK is spelled sulphur
    3. he stinks
    4. his jersey number is 16
    5. sulphur/sulfur's atomic number is 16
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    He’s a backup, and won’t match ALL of Vaz clutch hits throughout the years.
    First of all, “clutch” is a very subjective term. So it’s not much of a measure. This is not up for debate; it’s been the subject of multiple debates.

    Second, while certainly a lot less games played, McGuire has had starting jobs. And no catcher is a full time player.

    Third, for his career, Vazquez has been worth 0.0167 fWAR/game. McGuire has been worth 0.0169 fWAR/game. That’s about as equal as it gets.

    I don’t care if you don’t like fWAR. It’s objective. Not like “clutch”. And don’t debate that point; it’s been belabored to death…

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    So now we're stuck with "the Butterfly Man." Not "the monarch"? Not "skipper" or "swallowtail"?

    See, I'd go with "sulphur" because

    1. butterfly reference
    2. sulfur in UK is spelled sulphur
    3. he stinks
    4. his jersey number is 16
    5. sulphur/sulfur's atomic number is 16
    Nerd…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Nerd…
    I take my butterfly talk seriously. You may not have known that about me. I currently have sulphurs, zebra longwings and monarchs in my yard. It's the dead of winter so that's a lite showing.
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    So now we're stuck with "the Butterfly Man." Not "the monarch"? Not "skipper" or "swallowtail"?

    See, I'd go with "sulphur" because

    1. butterfly reference
    2. sulfur in UK is spelled sulphur
    3. he stinks
    4. his jersey number is 16
    5. sulphur/sulfur's atomic number is 16
    Monarch might be the most appropriate if they're indeed endangered now (because humans are endangering everything).

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    First of all, “clutch” is a very subjective term. So it’s not much of a measure. This is not up for debate; it’s been the subject of multiple debates.

    Second, while certainly a lot less games played, McGuire has had starting jobs. And no catcher is a full time player.

    Third, for his career, Vazquez has been worth 0.0167 fWAR/game. McGuire has been worth 0.0169 fWAR/game. That’s about as equal as it gets.

    I don’t care if you don’t like fWAR. It’s objective. Not like “clutch”. And don’t debate that point; it’s been belabored to death…
    What about the tangibles? Those you won’t find on any analytics sheet.

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