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Thread: A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    In the midst of all our griping this offseason, the story about the Red Sox negotiations with Devers at his home in the Dominican was actually pretty cool. Cora was there and when Devers first saw the offer his eyes got really big, according to Cora.
    Only the negative stories get the attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Instead, the Red Sox were over the tax threshold last year and still didn't have Mookie. If you're a billionaire and going to be over, might as well blast into another orbit, like Cohen.
    Well, it's a little early to be pronouncing Cohen's spending orgy a brilliant success.
    Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1

    The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Supposition is what we do here. I'm talking about Foulke, Dice-K, Drew, Lackey, Victorino, Price, JDM and others, and that's not even counting Mr. Duquette's prize free agent signing.

    That's pretty reasonable supposition.
    I think you and I differ greatly on the definition of a free agent bust…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Well, it's a little early to be pronouncing Cohen's spending orgy a brilliant success.
    Comparing the farm and budget Bloom was given to spend on a "supporting cast," even without Betts and half-Price's contracts on the books to what LA was able to build up since the trade is a joke.

    Like it's Bloom's fault our budget isn't close to LA's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I think you and I differ greatly on the definition of a free agent bust…
    I'm not really sure what your argument is any more. You said "the free agents Henry has shelled maybe a billion or so for over the years haven’t really done much".

    So I was agreeing with you that most were busts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I'm not really sure what your argument is any more. You said "the free agents Henry has shelled maybe a billion or so for over the years haven’t really done much".

    So I was agreeing with you that most were busts.
    It's interesting to look back and see that our best 2 free agent signings of this century were in 2000 (Manny signed by Dan D.) and Jan 22, 2003 (Papi signed for peanuts by Theo.)

    If you look at all the FA signings over the last 20 years, it's not an good overall look. Manny & Papi were both signed more than 20 years ago!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I'm not really sure what your argument is any more. You said "the free agents Henry has shelled maybe a billion or so for over the years haven’t really done much".

    So I was agreeing with you that most were busts.
    I don’t mind any free agent signed to a deal of 3 years or less. Anything longer is probably going to stop being an asset and start being a problem…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I don’t mind any free agent signed to a deal of 3 years or less. Anything longer is probably going to stop being an asset and start being a problem…
    The funny thing is, many of our contracts for 4 years or longer, actually stopped being an asset before 4 years or never really were an asset, except for maybe one season.
    * extension

    217/7 Price: Yr1 good (136 ERA+ w DET then 112 in '16), Yr 2 75IP, Yr 3 176 IP 126 ERA+
    160/8 Manny: Clear winner until the very end of his contract
    154/7* AGon: Yr 1 great season (155 OPS+), then nothing close & traded year 2.
    142/7 Crawford: Complete bust from yr 1 (107 OPS+ w TBR & 89 w BOS)
    145/5* Sale: Complete bust year 1, 2 & 3
    140/6 Story: Injured for a big chunk of yr 1 and yr 2
    110/5 JD: Year 1, 2 & 4 were big plusses. 5 was not bad.
    110/8 Pedroia: Pretty clearly a bust, although the start was not bad
    95/5 Sandoval: Bust from year 1
    88/4 HRam: Yr 1 kinda bad, yr 2 good, yr 3-4 pretty bad
    83/4 Porcello: Yr 1 Cy Young, yr 3 okay, the rest not so good
    83/5 Lackey: Yr 1 Meh, Yr 2 sucked, Yr 3 missed, Yr 4 helped win ring, traded
    73/7 Castillo: Bust from the start
    70/5 JD Drew: Pretty good, especially yr 2 & 3. 1 & 4 were OK
    68/4 Eovaldi: Yr 1 bad, Yr 2 good but COVID, Yr 3 his best, Yr 4 meh
    68/4* Beckett: Yr 1 good, Yr 2 bad, yr 3 good, yr 4 bad/traded (beergate)
    52/6 (+52 posting fee) Dice-K: Yr 1 okay, 2 very good, then caput
    42/4* Youkilis: Yr 1 good, Yr 2 pretty good, Yr 3 not good & traded
    40/4 Renteria: Yr 1:Not good then traded
    40/4 VTek ('05): Solid contract all the way
    36/4 Lugo: Yr 1 not as bad as many think but still... lost a step afterwards
    31/4 Damon: Good signing front to back
    30/5* Lester: Good extension
    26/4 Foulke: Yr 1 was vital, then yuck!



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