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    Tyler Danish throws 7 pitches giving up an HR and 2 other hits. He looks a little vulnerable

    10 pitches, 2 HRs and 3 runs given. Cora's bullpen roulette backfires again.

    But he whiffs Bichette, so there's that

    Then punches out Guerrero.; Once Tyler is warmed up, he's a devil of a pitcher
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    Franklin German will need to work on his game off season if he expects to make many Benjamin Franklins in the future

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    23-48 (.323) in the AL East, Pivetta's contribution to that is 1-8, .877 OPS against. Nick, get a hold of yourself, the same guys will be back next April. Work on something, anything.

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    Nick has slipped back to looking like a questionable 5th starter after flirting with 3/4 status more often than not, since joining the Sox.

    ERAs by our starters (some inning in relief for some pitchers)

    3.06 Wacha (22 GS)
    3.18 Sale (2 GS)
    4.05 Nate (19)
    4.41 Hill (25)
    4.48 Nick (31)

    3.15 Houck (4)
    3.45 Whitlock (9)
    4.39 Bello (9)
    5.47 Crawford (12)
    5.75 Winckowski (14)
    11.29 Seabold (5)
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    When you say it's gonna happen now
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Nick has slipped back to looking like a questionable 5th starter after flirting with 3/4 status more often than not, since joining the Sox..
    And what makes you say that?

    He's got the numbers of a 3/4 starter. They haven't changed all that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    And what makes you say that?

    He's got the numbers of a 3/4 starter. They haven't changed all that much.
    The best part about Pivetta is he was available to take the the mound when it was his turn. That in itself should be worth something especially after what has happened this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    The best part about Pivetta is he was available to take the the mound when it was his turn. That in itself should be worth something especially after what has happened this year.
    It's worth a lot. He's a much cheaper version of Porcello.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    And what makes you say that?

    He's got the numbers of a 3/4 starter. They haven't changed all that much.
    He's actually looked like a #2 (#1 on some teams) for pretty long stretches, a #3-4 for even longer stretches, but a questionable #5 for others, like lately.

    5.67 in his last 7 starts looks "questionable," but I'm not calling him a questionable 5th starter for 2023. He just looks like one, now. His ups and downs, since joining the Sox make me believe we will see enough ups to keep him looking like a solid #5, a decnet #4 and possibly a decent #3, but hopefully we'll have 3 better than him in 2023.

    Here is a breakdown of his ups and downs with the Sox:

    GS ERA FIP
    2 1.80 3.39 (2020)
    11 3.77 3.27 (start or 2021)
    10 5.47 5.49 (middle 2021)
    10 4.43 4.20 (end of 2021)
    5 7.84 5.48 (start to 2022)
    12 2.60 3.18 (middle of 2022)
    15 5.62 5.36 (last 15 starts) and 5.67/6.08 last 7 GS

    Overall, he has been an excellent 5th starter, often needed as our 2/3. He's done fine as a 2-4 for much of his time, here.

    I'm glad to have him back as our 4/5, next season, but right now, he is not pitching very well, and a 15 game sample size is not tiny.

    One knowledgeable baseball fan I know, often says, and there is a grain of truth to this, "A starter is only as good as his last start." While I don't think this is true, it often feels like it is.

    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    One knowledgeable baseball fan I know, often says, and there is a grain of truth to this, "A starter is only as good as his last start." While I don't think this is true, it often feels like it is.
    That's just another way of saying the Recency Effect is powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    That's just another way of saying the Recency Effect is powerful.
    Pivetta threw 175 IP this year, which is a career high, with his previous being 164 IP back in 2018.

    Not uncommon for pitchers to wear down over a long season…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    That's just another way of saying the Recency Effect is powerful.
    Has he looked questionable over his last 15 starts, or not?

    yes, he's looked questionable a few other times since joining the Sox and always bounced back. I'm not saying he won't again, in fact, I expect him to bounce back.

    All I'm saying is he has "slipped back to looking questionable," as most 5ht starters do from time to time.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    From today's Boston Globe: "Pivetta’s divisional ERA is the 14th highest among the 1,256 instances of a pitcher making 13+ starts in a season against the AL East since the introduction of division play in 1969."

    I don't play a math teacher anymore, but I think that's over half a century. But be confident the Red Sox analytics department can plan next year's rotation so that Nick only starts against the MLB's other five divisions next year.

    ps. this is the latest on a Saturday morning in October of a season in which Boston will not be participating in the playoffs that I have typed something about any Pivettas in 6,051 posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Has he looked questionable over his last 15 starts, or not?
    I was just replying to the statement that a starter is only as good as his last start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    From today's Boston Globe: "Pivetta’s divisional ERA is the 14th highest among the 1,256 instances of a pitcher making 13+ starts in a season against the AL East since the introduction of division play in 1969."

    I don't play a math teacher anymore, but I think that's over half a century. But be confident the Red Sox analytics department can plan next year's rotation so that Nick only starts against the MLB's other five divisions next year.

    ps. this is the latest on a Saturday morning in October of a season in which Boston will not be participating in the playoffs that I have typed something about any Pivettas in 6,051 posts.
    Maybe some ALC or ALW team should make an offer:
    0.41 v OAK (3 GS)
    1.84 v TEX (3)
    3.00 v SEA (1)
    3.43 v HOU (3)
    4.91 v LAA (2)

    2.13 v CLE (2)
    2.25 v CHW (4)
    3.12 v DET (1)
    6.98 v KCR (4)
    9.00 v MN (3)

    The Angels, Twins or Royals to maximize the effect.

    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    From today's Boston Globe: "Pivetta’s divisional ERA is the 14th highest among the 1,256 instances of a pitcher making 13+ starts in a season against the AL East since the introduction of division play in 1969."

    I don't play a math teacher anymore, but I think that's over half a century. But be confident the Red Sox analytics department can plan next year's rotation so that Nick only starts against the MLB's other five divisions next year.

    ps. this is the latest on a Saturday morning in October of a season in which Boston will not be participating in the playoffs that I have typed something about any Pivettas in 6,051 posts.
    The 4.98 ERA at Fenway does not help.

    He's 4.44 overall with the Sox, so he's much better on the road.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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