Curt Schilling Is a Hall of Famer

[moonslav59]

Of course, Red Sox fans will remember that time Wagner didn't quite get the job done against the Halos, am I right?

I remember we got Vitek and Ranaudo with his comp picks.

[mvp 78]

Of course, Red Sox fans will remember that time Wagner didn't quite get the job done against the Halos, am I right?

But still earned a hold.

It was Paplebon that lost it by giving up 3 in the next inning.

[Bellhorn04]

I remember we got Vitek and Ranaudo with his comp picks.

Yes, Theo did some finagling there. Didn't pay off but it was a nice try.

[mvp 78]

The Hall of Fame is a great honor for the players and a great thing for their families. The voters should not be so restrictive. Leaving out great players like Bonds, Clemens, Rose etc. is vindictive and dumb. And Billy Wagner has 422 saves and a career 2.31 ERA. By what biased or convoluted system is that not Cooperstown worthy? These writers need a good smackdown.

I agree on all accounts. Rose has done his time and should be in.

[notin]

lol

It’s true.

Wagner was naturally right-handed, but he broke his right arm twice playing football. He was also, as you noticed, rather short for a pitcher.

But this maybe 5’9” undersized hillbilly made it all the way to MLB by throwing 100mph with his weak arm. That alone makes him worthy of Cooperstown IMO. And then you throw on top of that the dominant statistics that he accomplished.

Wagner is a glaring omission IMO…

[notin]

I agree on all accounts. Rose has done his time and should be in.

Rose should be in the Hall. He should just be banished from working for teams again..

[mvp 78]

It’s true.

Wagner was naturally right-handed, but he broke his right arm twice playing football. He was also, as you noticed, rather short for a pitcher.

But this maybe 5’9” undersized hillbilly made it all the way to MLB by throwing 100mph with his weak arm. That alone makes him worthy of Cooperstown IMO. And then you throw on top of that the dominant statistics that he accomplished.

Wagner is a glaring omission IMO…

He's getting in soon. Just a matter of time.

[mvp 78]

Rose should be in the Hall. He should just be banished from working for teams again..

Seems like a fair compromise to me!

[Bellhorn04]

It’s true.

Wagner was naturally right-handed, but he broke his right arm twice playing football. He was also, as you noticed, rather short for a pitcher.

But this maybe 5’9” undersized hillbilly made it all the way to MLB by throwing 100mph with his weak arm. That alone makes him worthy of Cooperstown IMO. And then you throw on top of that the dominant statistics that he accomplished.

Wagner is a glaring omission IMO…

27.7 career bWAR. Multiplying by 3 is about right for relievers, so that would be an 83 WAR.

[moonslav59]

Yes, Theo did some finagling there. Didn't pay off but it was a nice try.

That was the era whereby richer teams gamed the system to add comp picks.

The Rays mastered it as low spending team, often trading for players who would have comp picks attached just for the picks. In 2011, they had 9 picks in the first round (top 60 picks) and 2 in the 2nd for 10 in the top 89 picks!- one was Blake Snell, but nobody else did great.

In 2013, they got Stanek for losing BJ Upton. They really did not use all those draft picks very well.

[notin]

That was the era whereby richer teams gamed the system to add comp picks.

The Rays mastered it as low spending team, often trading for players who would have comp picks attached just for the picks. In 2011, they had 9 picks in the first round (top 60 picks) and 2 in the 2nd for 10 in the top 89 picks!- one was Blake Snell, but nobody else did great.

In 2013, they got Stanek for losing BJ Upton. They really did not use all those draft picks very well.

The thing about the Rays is it doesn’t seem like they ever drafted all that well. Yet somehow they always had an elite farm system…

[mvp 78]

The thing about the Rays is it doesn’t seem like they ever drafted all that well. Yet somehow they always had an elite farm system…

The combination of trading their best MLB players and development.

[moonslav59]

Yes, Theo did some finagling there. Didn't pay off but it was a nice try.

Here's the list:

2003:
Matt Murton & Abe Alvarez for Cliff Floyd

2005:
Ellsbury Lowrie for OCab (made that trade the deal that just kept giving- see 2014)
Hansen & Bowden for DLowe (Later, Hansen helped us get J Bay)
Buchholz & Egan for Pedro

2006:
Bard & K Johnson for Damon
Clay & Bates for Mueller

2007:
Hagadone for Gonzo (Part of trade that got us VMart)
R Dent for Foulke

2008:
B Price for Gagne

2010:
Vitek & Ranaudo for Wagner (Later, Ranaudo was traded for Robbie Ross.)
Workman & Brentz for J Bay (Later, Workman & Hembree got us Pivetta)

2011:
Barnes & Owens for VMart
JBJ & Swihart for Beltre (Later, Swi was traded for Marcus Wilson)

2012:
B Johnson & P Light for Papelbon (Light was later traded for Abad.)

Ben
2014:
Kopech for Ellsbury (Later, helped us get Sale.)

[moonslav59]

The thing about the Rays is it doesn’t seem like they ever drafted all that well. Yet somehow they always had an elite farm system…

True, but early on, they had some top picks and got David Price with one and Longoria for a 3rd pick overall.

[mvp 78]

@BostonGlobe
Former Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling has declined the team’s invitation to be part of the April 9 Opening Day ceremonies at Fenway Park, a source with direct knowledge told the Globe.

What a snowflake.