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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Of course, Red Sox fans will remember that time Wagner didn't quite get the job done against the Halos, am I right?
    I remember we got Vitek and Ranaudo with his comp picks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Of course, Red Sox fans will remember that time Wagner didn't quite get the job done against the Halos, am I right?
    But still earned a hold.

    It was Paplebon that lost it by giving up 3 in the next inning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I remember we got Vitek and Ranaudo with his comp picks.
    Yes, Theo did some finagling there. Didn't pay off but it was a nice try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    The Hall of Fame is a great honor for the players and a great thing for their families. The voters should not be so restrictive. Leaving out great players like Bonds, Clemens, Rose etc. is vindictive and dumb. And Billy Wagner has 422 saves and a career 2.31 ERA. By what biased or convoluted system is that not Cooperstown worthy? These writers need a good smackdown.
    I agree on all accounts. Rose has done his time and should be in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    lol
    It’s true.

    Wagner was naturally right-handed, but he broke his right arm twice playing football. He was also, as you noticed, rather short for a pitcher.

    But this maybe 5’9” undersized hillbilly made it all the way to MLB by throwing 100mph with his weak arm. That alone makes him worthy of Cooperstown IMO. And then you throw on top of that the dominant statistics that he accomplished.

    Wagner is a glaring omission IMO…

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I agree on all accounts. Rose has done his time and should be in.
    Rose should be in the Hall. He should just be banished from working for teams again..

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    It’s true.

    Wagner was naturally right-handed, but he broke his right arm twice playing football. He was also, as you noticed, rather short for a pitcher.

    But this maybe 5’9” undersized hillbilly made it all the way to MLB by throwing 100mph with his weak arm. That alone makes him worthy of Cooperstown IMO. And then you throw on top of that the dominant statistics that he accomplished.

    Wagner is a glaring omission IMO…
    He's getting in soon. Just a matter of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Rose should be in the Hall. He should just be banished from working for teams again..
    Seems like a fair compromise to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    It’s true.

    Wagner was naturally right-handed, but he broke his right arm twice playing football. He was also, as you noticed, rather short for a pitcher.

    But this maybe 5’9” undersized hillbilly made it all the way to MLB by throwing 100mph with his weak arm. That alone makes him worthy of Cooperstown IMO. And then you throw on top of that the dominant statistics that he accomplished.

    Wagner is a glaring omission IMO…
    27.7 career bWAR. Multiplying by 3 is about right for relievers, so that would be an 83 WAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Yes, Theo did some finagling there. Didn't pay off but it was a nice try.
    That was the era whereby richer teams gamed the system to add comp picks.

    The Rays mastered it as low spending team, often trading for players who would have comp picks attached just for the picks. In 2011, they had 9 picks in the first round (top 60 picks) and 2 in the 2nd for 10 in the top 89 picks!- one was Blake Snell, but nobody else did great.

    In 2013, they got Stanek for losing BJ Upton. They really did not use all those draft picks very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    That was the era whereby richer teams gamed the system to add comp picks.

    The Rays mastered it as low spending team, often trading for players who would have comp picks attached just for the picks. In 2011, they had 9 picks in the first round (top 60 picks) and 2 in the 2nd for 10 in the top 89 picks!- one was Blake Snell, but nobody else did great.

    In 2013, they got Stanek for losing BJ Upton. They really did not use all those draft picks very well.

    The thing about the Rays is it doesn’t seem like they ever drafted all that well. Yet somehow they always had an elite farm system…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    The thing about the Rays is it doesn’t seem like they ever drafted all that well. Yet somehow they always had an elite farm system…
    The combination of trading their best MLB players and development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Yes, Theo did some finagling there. Didn't pay off but it was a nice try.
    Here's the list:

    2003:
    Matt Murton & Abe Alvarez for Cliff Floyd

    2005:
    Ellsbury Lowrie for OCab (made that trade the deal that just kept giving- see 2014)
    Hansen & Bowden for DLowe (Later, Hansen helped us get J Bay)
    Buchholz & Egan for Pedro

    2006:
    Bard & K Johnson for Damon
    Clay & Bates for Mueller

    2007:
    Hagadone for Gonzo (Part of trade that got us VMart)
    R Dent for Foulke

    2008:
    B Price for Gagne

    2010:
    Vitek & Ranaudo for Wagner (Later, Ranaudo was traded for Robbie Ross.)
    Workman & Brentz for J Bay (Later, Workman & Hembree got us Pivetta)

    2011:
    Barnes & Owens for VMart
    JBJ & Swihart for Beltre (Later, Swi was traded for Marcus Wilson)

    2012:
    B Johnson & P Light for Papelbon (Light was later traded for Abad.)

    Ben
    2014:
    Kopech for Ellsbury (Later, helped us get Sale.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    The thing about the Rays is it doesn’t seem like they ever drafted all that well. Yet somehow they always had an elite farm system…
    True, but early on, they had some top picks and got David Price with one and Longoria for a 3rd pick overall.
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