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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Yes, we would attempt to keep as many viable options on the table, although some of us do not view Brasier and Ort as "viable."

    Brasier isn’t going anywhere for a while. And if they can get a bullpen where he is the 7th or 8th best option and is limited to mostly mop up work, that’s not a bad thing…

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    If Sale struggles in his next few starts, it'll be hard to keep Bello down. Crawford is probably up and down as needed. Can keep him in the rotation in WOO.

    Ort should have 2 innings and a 0.00 ERA right now.
    I suppose Kelly could take Ort’s seat on the Worcester bus…

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    According to soxprospects.com, here are the options remaining:

    Red= too good to send down.

    0:
    Sale, Kluber, Pivetta, Paxton
    Jansen, Martin, JRod, Bleier, Brasier

    1:
    Mata, Mills

    2:
    Houck, Crawford, Winckowski, Bello, Ort

    3: Whitlock, Schreiber, Kelly, Walter, Murphy

    9 with 0 options, 3 are must keeps, so that leaves one with options to keep on the 13 man staff, at any given time.

    To me, Bello, Crawford and Wink should be on the 13 man staff, but having 1 in the minors seems okay.

    Ort has options, so he's an easy choice, but we'd have to trade or DFA Brasier to keep 2.

    Of course, one injury solves the problem, and it's almost a certainty one pitcher will be on the IL, at all times- maybe 2-3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I suppose Kelly could take Ort’s seat on the Worcester bus…
    He has NOT looked good so far. He can come back up later if he turns it around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    According to soxprospects.com, here are the options remaining:

    Red= too good to send down.

    0:
    Sale, Kluber, Pivetta, Paxton
    Jansen, Martin, JRod, Bleier, Brasier

    1:
    Mata, Mills

    2:
    Houck, Crawford, Winckowski, Bello, Ort

    3: Whitlock, Schreiber, Kelly, Walter, Murphy

    9 with 0 options, 3 are must keeps, so that leaves one with options to keep on the 13 man staff, at any given time.

    To me, Bello, Crawford and Wink should be on the 13 man staff, but having 1 in the minors seems okay.

    Ort has options, so he's an easy choice, but we'd have to trade or DFA Brasier to keep 2.

    Of course, one injury solves the problem, and it's almost a certainty one pitcher will be on the IL, at all times- maybe 2-3.
    I'm going to disagree that Schreiber is too good. His velo has ticked back down to pre-2022 levels. There's a good chance that he was a one year wonder.

    Ort, Kelly and Crawford are the easiest to move down right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I'm going to disagree that Schreiber is too good. His velo has ticked back down to pre-2022 levels. There's a good chance that he was a one year wonder.

    Ort, Kelly and Crawford are the easiest to move down right now.
    I'd say, until Schreiber proves he does not belong, he's on my 13, no matter how many pitchers are healthy.

    Now, I suppose Crawford, Wink and Bello could all be looking great (and better than Schreiber) and change my mind, but as of now, Schreiber has a firm hold on a 13 man staff slot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I'd say, until Schreiber proves he does not belong, he's on my 13, no matter how many pitchers are healthy.

    Now, I suppose Crawford, Wink and Bello could all be looking great (and better than Schreiber) and change my mind, but as of now, Schreiber has a firm hold on a 13 man staff slot.
    To me, he's lower on the pecking order. If I'm managing the Sox, I'm not sure he's a setup guy going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I'm going to disagree that Schreiber is too good. His velo has ticked back down to pre-2022 levels. There's a good chance that he was a one year wonder.

    Ort, Kelly and Crawford are the easiest to move down right now.
    What a problem it is to have so many good pitches you donít know what to do with them all. How did Bloom get so lucky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    To me, he's lower on the pecking order. If I'm managing the Sox, I'm not sure he's a setup guy going forward.
    As long as he keeps doing well, he'll stay.

    I recall you saying similar things about Wink's stuff not playing up to MLB standards.

    I'm not saying you are wrong. Surely 2022 might have been a fluke, but Schreiber deserves a slot, until he shows he doesn't, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    What a problem it is to have so many good pitches you donít know what to do with them all. How did Bloom get so lucky?
    It can only be luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    What a problem it is to have so many good pitches you don’t know what to do with them all. How did Bloom get so lucky?
    My biggest concern with Bloom is the title of the post.

    2020 Rotation - Shit. One of the two worst rotations in the league.
    2021 Rotation - Low key not great aside from Nate! ERod, Richards, Perez all had ERA+ under 100. Success was just health luck.
    2022 Rotation - Parade of Injured Pitchers and Ineffectiveness.

    If the rotation struggles this season, there's question on if Bloom knows how to build a rotation. W
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    My biggest concern with Bloom is the title of the post.

    2020 Rotation - Shit. One of the two worst rotations in the league.
    2021 Rotation - Low key not great aside from Nate! ERod, Richards, Perez all had ERA+ under 100. Success was just health luck.
    2022 Rotation - Parade of Injured Pitchers and Ineffectiveness.

    If the rotation struggles this season, there's question on if Bloom knows how to build a rotation. W
    I agree and except of health to Sale, and Kluber I think the progression of Whitlock, and Bello are key. If those two don’t work out then the problem really gets bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    As long as he keeps doing well, he'll stay.

    I recall you saying similar things about Wink's stuff not playing up to MLB standards.

    I'm not saying you are wrong. Surely 2022 might have been a fluke, but Schreiber deserves a slot, until he shows he doesn't, IMO.
    I said that about Winks stuff too in the past. I think his stuff has taken a step forward, I don't think he's great or going to be a superstar or really even close. But I'm much more convinced he has an MLB career ahead of him. He might be fine as a swingman/ middle relief type here for a few years.

    I have a feeling we are going to see more of him this year. I think he's going to be on that Woo-Sox shuttle all year.
    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    New Prediction. The Sox will make a major starting pitching acquisition in the 2023/24 offseason.
    New Prediction to my new prediction. Bloom was fired to be replaced with the guy who has the balls to acquire top-tier pitching talent for 2024.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    I agree and except of health to Sale, and Kluber I think the progression of Whitlock, and Bello are key. If those two don’t work out then the problem really gets bad.
    This has pretty much been my line of thinking for a while. A healthy Sale and Kluber can be a big lift for this rotation. If Whitlock and Bello can pitch like to young studs in a rotation with the talent we know they have that can be a big lift for this rotation.

    If all those things happen, then this rotation might be....dare I say....Knock on every piece of wood you can find, really really good. I'll take 3 out of 4.
    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    New Prediction. The Sox will make a major starting pitching acquisition in the 2023/24 offseason.
    New Prediction to my new prediction. Bloom was fired to be replaced with the guy who has the balls to acquire top-tier pitching talent for 2024.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    My biggest concern with Bloom is the title of the post.

    2020 Rotation - Shit. One of the two worst rotations in the league.
    2021 Rotation - Low key not great aside from Nate! ERod, Richards, Perez all had ERA+ under 100. Success was just health luck.
    2022 Rotation - Parade of Injured Pitchers and Ineffectiveness.

    If the rotation struggles this season, there's question on if Bloom knows how to build a rotation. W
    As Bellhorn alluded to, it's not really a question of whether Bloom knows how to acquire good starters, it's that he ultimately chooses not to. We've been hearing every winter that the Sox have interest in this arm or that, but all Bloom has done is replace one serviceable big leaguer with another on short contracts. Eovaldi and Wacha weren't Hall of Famers, but they did fine in Boston. They just wanted more money than the ghosts of Kluber and Paxton.

    This past winter finally revealed offers made to legit starters who signed elsewhere -- such leaks were either an attempt to show the fanbase he was actually trying to improve the rotation... or that he was incapable of closing the deal for those he covets.

    For those who think Bloom will someday trade prospects, instead of paying for arms, he's been in charge of four offseasons... and someday never comes.

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