Anyone heard any new news about him?
Anyone heard any new news about him?
yeah, boras wants 200 milll over 10 years or something. people are interested, but even the yanks are stayin away from a price like that.
What are the teams going for him?
Last I heard was 4 teams.
Yankees
Astros
and 2 "un named" teams.
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beltran is so god damn overrated it's not even funny. i'de take many over him anyday anytime anywhere and for anyprice.
john
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If you are stupid, I will make fun of you. :harhar:Originally Posted by CrespoBlows
Beltran his 38 HR's last year, he stole 42 SB, has an excellent glove in the field, hits for a consitant average, and he murdered pitchers in the postseason. So he's overrated how?
a players average is a terrible stat to use when judging his value. beltran at best is an above average hitter. defensive abilities are overated, in fact they play a small role in outcomes of games. beltran's fielding percentage is .007 better than manny's. that means he fields .7% better than manny. in fact last season he had 1 more error than manny did.Originally posted by CrespoBlows@Dec 17 2004, 01:00 PM
Beltran his 38 HR's last year, he stole 42 SB, has an excellent glove in the field, hits for a consitant average, and he murdered pitchers in the postseason. So he's overrated how?
beltrans best average doesn't even touch manny's career average if you want to talk about averages. but the more important stat OBP: beltrans best career OBP ever, .389 doesn't come close to manny's CAREER OBP of .411. the same goes for SLG and OPS.
don't get me wrong, beltran is a very good baseball player, but his hitting abilities are very overrated. he's not the offensive monster everyone thinks he is. he's a very good hitter, but not 20 mill per year good. if i had a choice between beltran at 17 mill per year and manny and 20 mill per year i'de take manny in a heartbeat.
as for murdering pitchers in the offseason, the offseason is a very small sample. is beltran worth X amount more because he was hot during the post season? of course not, he just got hot at the right time. you can't devalue a player because they slump at a time that you don't want them to slump. it just happens that he got hot at the right time.
if beltran is so good why has he never had a top 10 MVP, never had had the silver slugger, never won the batting title. it's because he's a "5-tool" player. he's above average at everything. this supposidly makes him very good, it is the reason why he is so overrated, because he makes diving catches in the outfield. the fact is that all the diving catches he makes actually make very little difference in the outcome of the games. what's the most he'll do? save 1-2 games a season?
john
Most dominant pitcher
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a players average is a terrible stat to use when judging his value. beltran at best is an above average hitter. defensive abilities are overated, in fact they play a small role in outcomes of games. beltran's fielding percentage is .007 better than manny's. that means he fields .7% better than manny. in fact last season he had 1 more error than manny did.Originally posted by ahhchon+Dec 17 2004, 01:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ahhchon @ Dec 17 2004, 01:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CrespoBlows@Dec 17 2004, 01:00 PM
Beltran his 38 HR's last year, he stole 42 SB, has an excellent glove in the field, hits for a consitant average, and he murdered pitchers in the postseason. So he's overrated how?
beltrans best average doesn't even touch manny's career average if you want to talk about averages. but the more important stat OBP: beltrans best career OBP ever, .389 doesn't come close to manny's CAREER OBP of .411. the same goes for SLG and OPS.
don't get me wrong, beltran is a very good baseball player, but his hitting abilities are very overrated. he's not the offensive monster everyone thinks he is. he's a very good hitter, but not 20 mill per year good. if i had a choice between beltran at 17 mill per year and manny and 20 mill per year i'de take manny in a heartbeat.
as for murdering pitchers in the offseason, the offseason is a very small sample. is beltran worth X amount more because he was hot during the post season? of course not, he just got hot at the right time. you can't devalue a player because they slump at a time that you don't want them to slump. it just happens that he got hot at the right time.
john [/b][/quote]
I disagree that defense is overrated.
Look at Andruw Jones in Atlanta. Guys like John Smoltz, Tom Glavine, Greg Maddux... smart pitchers and baseball people... say Jones saved them every time out.
Look at what Cabrera did to the Red Sox when he came over?
Trot Nixon's KEY defensive play in game 5 of the ALCS?!?
or even Manny's game 1 of the World Series.... 2 errors in 1 inning?!?
Ask Derek Lowe-- Defense matters.
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Sometimes people fall in love with stats too much, don't even come close to comparing Manny to Beltran out there. Beltran prevents more runs then Manny. Beltran will probably become the next 40-40 guy, he's clutch, and he can steal bases. He can bat 1st or 9th if you want him to. Above Average hitter! He'd hit 50 HR's at fenway.
50 HR's is a bit of a stretch. 40-40, absolutely. But not even Manny's hit 50 HR at Fenway....Originally posted by CrespoBlows@Dec 17 2004, 01:51 PM
Sometimes people fall in love with stats too much, don't even come close to comparing Manny to Beltran out there. Beltran prevents more runs then Manny. Beltran will probably become the next 40-40 guy, he's clutch, and he can steal bases. He can bat 1st or 9th if you want him to. Above Average hitter! He'd hit 50 HR's at fenway.
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i am a lover of stats and i DO realize that beltran is damn good. but 20 mill a year good? the guy is allready 27, he's not anywhere close to a-rod.
i wouldn't even consider him 16 mill a year good.
john
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Are you saying he doesnt deserve A-rod money.... cuz A-rod doesnt even deserve that moneyOriginally posted by ahhchon@Dec 17 2004, 03:07 PM
i am a lover of stats and i DO realize that beltran is damn good. but 20 mill a year good? the guy is allready 27, he's not anywhere close to a-rod.
i wouldn't even consider him 16 mill a year good.
john
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Are you saying he doesnt deserve A-rod money.... cuz A-rod doesnt even deserve that money [/b][/quote]Originally posted by Benny9Sox7+Dec 17 2004, 02:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Benny9Sox7 @ Dec 17 2004, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ahhchon@Dec 17 2004, 03:07 PM
i am a lover of stats and i DO realize that beltran is damn good. but 20 mill a year good? the guy is allready 27, he's not anywhere close to a-rod.
i wouldn't even consider him 16 mill a year good.
john
of course a-rod deserves that money. he's the best ball player in the game. put him in any position and he'll be above average.
john
Most dominant pitcher
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A-Rod is not the best player in the game. He doesnt do nearly as much as Beltran does. A-Rod may be one of the best pure hitters in the game, but he does little more. Carlos Beltran is the best player in all aspects the game, which include power, average, onbase, fielding, speed, stealing instincts, he has it all, there is no question about it. He isnt worth 20 million a year, no one is, but I think that if he cant get that from someone, then goddamnit someone give it to him
how can you say that betran is better than a-rod.Originally posted by YanksHater213@Dec 19 2004, 06:15 AM
A-Rod is not the best player in the game. He doesnt do nearly as much as Beltran does. A-Rod may be one of the best pure hitters in the game, but he does little more. Carlos Beltran is the best player in all aspects the game, which include power, average, onbase, fielding, speed, stealing instincts, he has it all, there is no question about it. He isnt worth 20 million a year, no one is, but I think that if he cant get that from someone, then goddamnit someone give it to him
ave: (stupid stat)
a-rod has consistantly hit for a higher average than betran.
obp:
a-rod has consistantly gotten on base more than beltran
bb:
a-rod has consistantly gotten more walks than beltran
hr:
a-rod has consistantly hit for more power than beltran
slg:
a-rod has consistantly slugged for a higher % than beltran
ops:
SAME
a-rods offensive numbers have ALWAYS been better than beltrans. even has a batting title
defensively:
a-rod has played ss his whole career. has 2 gg's at that position. beltran has ZERO gg's. a-rod has switched to 3rd base and is holding up well for his first time there ever.
a-rod also has stealing instincts, he's the youngest 40/40 player. one of the THREE ever to do so.
a-rod > beltran
nuff said
only thing beltran has going for him is that he doesn't slap people.
john
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