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Thread: Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Why do we think players will just improve on defense? If Breslow addressed the pitching staff by saying “Brandon Walter will just have to get better”, who would find that acceptable?

    I think if you expected improvement on any area - hitting, pitching, fielding - fielding is the hardest one to just improve…
    Well, if Story is just any sort of healthy that means one of the middle infield positions will be above average to plus. Casas will likely be better at 1B - if nothing else because he probably can't be worse. I could see a world where Rafaela is at 2B and Story at SS, and that would probably be solid, even if I think Rafaela is best optimized at CF.

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    Looking at the Success Rate Added via Statcast Data

    1B: Triston Casas, 33rd out of 37 qualified
    2B: Christina Arroyo, 26th out of 40
    SS: Nobody Qualified on roster ... Kike Hernandez, 35th out of 35
    3B: Rafael Devers, 31st out of 36
    LF: Masataka Yoshida, 33rd out of 35
    CF: Jarren Duran, 34th out of 38 (Adam Duvall 38th out of 38)
    RF: Alex Verdugo, 12th out of 36

    So that is a grand total of 1 player who was above the median in Statcast metrics
    The middle infield in particular - to give some perspective

    2022 - Bogaerts was 14th at SS, Story was 2nd at 2B.

    So the middle infield went from pretty good to pee-you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Why do we think players will just improve on defense? If Breslow addressed the pitching staff by saying “Brandon Walter will just have to get better”, who would find that acceptable?

    I think if you expected improvement on any area - hitting, pitching, fielding - fielding is the hardest one to just improve…
    Hey man, everyone doubted me last year when I said Verdugo would have a bounce back year with the glove. I'm calling it again. Casas will be legit on D nextyear.
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    New Prediction. The Sox will make a major starting pitching acquisition in the 2023/24 offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk7326 View Post
    Looking at the Success Rate Added via Statcast Data

    1B: Triston Casas, 33rd out of 37 qualified
    2B: Christina Arroyo, 26th out of 40
    SS: Nobody Qualified on roster ... Kike Hernandez, 35th out of 35
    3B: Rafael Devers, 31st out of 36
    LF: Masataka Yoshida, 33rd out of 35
    CF: Jarren Duran, 34th out of 38 (Adam Duvall 38th out of 38)
    RF: Alex Verdugo, 12th out of 36

    So that is a grand total of 1 player who was above the median in Statcast metrics
    The middle infield in particular - to give some perspective

    2022 - Bogaerts was 14th at SS, Story was 2nd at 2B.

    So the middle infield went from pretty good to pee-you.
    This has me thinking the problem was at least partially due to bad coaching, but on the other hand you can only coach guys up so much.
    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    New Prediction. The Sox will make a major starting pitching acquisition in the 2023/24 offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    This has me thinking the problem was at least partially due to bad coaching, but on the other hand you can only coach guys up so much.
    They got rid of the IF defense coach.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    They got rid of the IF defense coach.
    And they got rid of the CBO who assembled that jugular knot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    This has me thinking the problem was at least partially due to bad coaching, but on the other hand you can only coach guys up so much.
    There is a Jimmies and Joes thing. But I also wonder whether the shift rules impeded some of the ways the team could wallpaper over the issue. That said, Bogaerts this year was roughly the same as he was last year by Statcast data. Same with Dansby Swanson at the top of the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    This has me thinking the problem was at least partially due to bad coaching, but on the other hand you can only coach guys up so much.
    Players out of position did not help.

    Duran in LF is fine.
    Kike in CF was fine.
    Duvall in LF or RF would have been better.

    We need a healthy Story in '24.\
    If Duran can play almost always in LF, that will help.
    2B has upside with Urias and Reyes over Arroyo and Valdez.
    Casas may or may not improve.
    Devers is up and down and more down than up.
    I'm hoping Wong improves.
    If Rafaela's bat can carry him, we can see a big plus on CF D.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Players out of position did not help.
    Thanks to Bloom we got to witness:

    Arroyo in RF
    Franchy at 1B
    Dalbec at SS
    Kiké as the fulltime SS disasterpiece
    Duvall as the fulltime injury prone CF
    Old Man Turner at 2B
    Schwarber at 1B in the playoffs
    Chavis in LF
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Players out of position did not help.

    Duran in LF is fine.
    Kike in CF was fine.
    Duvall in LF or RF would have been better.

    We need a healthy Story in '24.\
    If Duran can play almost always in LF, that will help.
    2B has upside with Urias and Reyes over Arroyo and Valdez.
    Casas may or may not improve.
    Devers is up and down and more down than up.
    I'm hoping Wong improves.
    If Rafaela's bat can carry him, we can see a big plus on CF D.
    One of the useful things from the statcast data is also seeing exactly how many outs above average there are in general - the spread. We know these positions are not all equal.

    Casas is bad at 1st - but the road to "good enough" is not all that diffcult.

    Kike is an interesting case - went from one of the best CFs in the game in 2021 to middle of the pack in 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Thanks to Bloom we got to witness:

    Arroyo in RF
    Franchy at 1B
    Dalbec at SS
    Kiké as the fulltime SS disasterpiece
    Duvall as the fulltime injury prone CF
    Old Man Turner at 2B
    Schwarber at 1B in the playoffs
    Chavis in LF
    Also...

    Wong, Vaz & Dalbec at 2B
    Vaz at 3B
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Thanks to Bloom we got to witness:

    Arroyo in RF
    Franchy at 1B
    Dalbec at SS
    Kiké as the fulltime SS disasterpiece
    Duvall as the fulltime injury prone CF
    Old Man Turner at 2B
    Schwarber at 1B in the playoffs
    Chavis in LF
    Don't forget these Opening Day delights:

    Marwin Gonzalez starting in leftfield in '21, and...

    Kluber starting on the mound in '23 (threw out the first pitch; Rutschman hit out the 7th one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Also...

    Wong, Vaz & Dalbec at 2B
    Vaz at 3B
    They all only got a few innings here and there. I was trying to find guys that got starts out of position. Vaz had a GS at 2B under DD, but none under Bloom.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Don't forget these Opening Day delights:

    Marwin Gonzalez starting in leftfield in '21, and...

    Kluber starting on the mound in '23 (threw out the first pitch; Rutschman hit out the 7th one).
    Those two were bad players, but not necessarily playing out of position. Marwin had almost 150 starts in LF prior to that game.
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Those two were bad players, but not necessarily playing out of position. Marwin had almost 150 starts in LF prior to that game.
    Kluber looked out of position just wearing a Red Sox uni...

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