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    Quote Originally Posted by sk7326 View Post
    I can see that - but Scott Williamson was very good in the postseason up to that point. And Grady had a lot of wiggle room with a 3 run lead.
    Timlin, Embree and Williamson all gave up 0 runs that postseason. You needed six outs and had 3 other very capable guys to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    There were certainly reasons to pull Pedro, but to me it was Pedro freaking Martinez, and we lost on a bloop hit.

    I know all the talk on Pedro thinking his day was over. I get it.

    We'll never know what might have happened had they yanked Pedro. We know what happened leaving him in.
    "Lost on a bloop."

    Nick Johnson pops out to SS.
    Jeter 2B to RF
    Bernie 1B to CF
    Matsui Groundrule 2B
    Posada 2B to CF

    Embree comes in and gets an out, 0 R. Timlin comes in and gets 4 outs, 0 R. Seems like they should have gone to the pen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    "Lost on a bloop."

    Nick Johnson pops out to SS.
    Jeter 2B to RF
    Bernie 1B to CF
    Matsui Groundrule 2B
    Posada 2B to CF

    Embree comes in and gets an out, 0 R. Timlin comes in and gets 4 outs, 0 R. Seems like they should have gone to the pen?
    Yes, a total bloop his by Posada to bring in the 4th and 5th runs to tie the game.

    Scroll to 9:30 of this video, then get back to me...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTcOCcRg86s
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Yes, a total bloop his by Posada to bring in the 4th and 5th runs to tie the game.

    Scroll to 9:30 of this video, then get back to me...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTcOCcRg86s
    That ignores Jeter hammering that ball to right, Bernie hitting a liner up the middle and Matsui smoking that ball down the RF line. That was 3 straight hard hit balls before Posada came up.
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    It is all second guessing. But Pedro did seem to want out of there. And even the finest automobile will not run if it is out of gas.
    Old school is good school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    A black mark on this ownership group for sure.
    This is, in my book, the single most infuriating thing this ownership has ever done, including the Mookie debacle.
    WAR is good for something.

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    In a TV interview years later about Game 7 in '03, Pedro said he was told his day was done, but Little came up to him after the 7th and asked if he could just get one more out: Nick Johnson, who would lead off the 8th. He did... then Little froze.

    Of course, this could be yet another case of a Red Sox player misremembering moments of conflict: Clemens in Game 6 in '86, Betts in the offseason after 2019, Sale falling off a stationary bike into a big screen TV...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    In a TV interview years later about Game 7 in '03, Pedro said he was told his day was done, but Little came up to him after the 7th and asked if he could just get one more out: Nick Johnson, who would lead off the 8th. He did... then Little froze.

    Of course, this could be yet another case of a Red Sox player misremembering moments of conflict: Clemens in Game 6 in '86, Betts in the offseason after 2019, Sale falling off a stationary bike into a big screen TV...
    Pedro also did the heavenward look coming off the field after the 7th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    It is all second guessing. But Pedro did seem to want out of there. And even the finest automobile will not run if it is out of gas.
    It seemed obvious to me and the people I was watching the game with that he was done after 7. We were shocked when he came out again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dipre View Post
    This is, in my book, the single most infuriating thing this ownership has ever done, including the Mookie debacle.
    It was wild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    That ignores Jeter hammering that ball to right, Bernie hitting a liner up the middle and Matsui smoking that ball down the RF line. That was 3 straight hard hit balls before Posada came up.
    I didn't ignore it. We all know what happened. I just pointed out they tied (won) the game (in part) due to a bloop hit.

    You questioned Posada's "bloop" hit, then changed the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    It is all second guessing. But Pedro did seem to want out of there. And even the finest automobile will not run if it is out of gas.
    Certainly, a reasonable position to hold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    There were certainly reasons to pull Pedro, but to me it was Pedro freaking Martinez, and we lost on a bloop hit.

    I know all the talk on Pedro thinking his day was over. I get it.

    We'll never know what might have happened had they yanked Pedro. We know what happened leaving him in.
    the other thing was that it was not the first time Grady left him in too long in a deciding game THAT POSTSEASON. It happened against the A's in the ALDS.

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