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    If we're lumping Wikelman, Perales and Monegro that close together, it's bad news for Perales. It's not the first time I've heard him called a bullpen arm. That bb rate is bad. Him and Wikelman have work to do this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    If we're lumping Wikelman, Perales and Monegro that close together, it's bad news for Perales. It's not the first time I've heard him called a bullpen arm. That bb rate is bad. Him and Wikelman have work to do this year.
    The sad thing is, we might be lucky to get just two to three decent pen arms out of our entire farm system of pitchers.

    Maybe we get lucky and get a 4th starter and 3 decent RP'ers. That's probably the farm ceiling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    The sad thing is, we might be lucky to get just two to three decent pen arms out of our entire farm system of pitchers.

    Maybe we get lucky and get a 4th starter and 3 decent RP'ers. That's probably the farm ceiling.
    Guys that could be that starter: Fitts, Monegro, Paez, Early
    Decent bullpen arms: Wikelman, Perales, Guerrero, Hoppe, Liu
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Guys that could be that starter: Fitts, Monegro, Paez, Early
    Decent bullpen arms: Wikelman, Perales, Guerrero, Hoppe, Liu
    Good choices.

    I'd add Slaten to the RP group.

    My Longer shots: Mata, E R-C & maybe Troye.

    My Longer shots to start? Gambrell, Walter, I Coffey. (I think Murphy graduated.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Good choices.

    I'd add Slaten to the RP group.

    My Longer shots: Mata, E R-C & maybe Troye.

    My Longer shots to start? Gambrell, Walter, I Coffey. (I think Murphy graduated.)
    Maybe Peaz takes a leap this year, but his ceiling is bullpen arm to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    Maybe Peaz takes a leap this year, but his ceiling is bullpen arm to me.
    I'd say we have about 10-15 pitchers that could "take a leap," this year. Gain more control. Uptick in velo. Both. I think a few will. Most, probably won't.

    One problem is, many are starting so low, a "leap" might bring them to a ceiling of a 4th starter or decent set-up man in the bigs.

    Our best bet is for 2-3 from this group to "leap" from a decent ceiling to a much better one:

    Wikelman
    Perales
    Slaten
    Mata
    Campbell
    Guerrero
    Monegro
    maybe Hoppe
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Good choices.

    I'd add Slaten to the RP group.

    My Longer shots: Mata, E R-C & maybe Troye.

    My Longer shots to start? Gambrell, Walter, I Coffey. (I think Murphy graduated.)
    My assumption was that Slaten graduates this year. I'm generally ignoring him as a prospect and treating him like an MLB regular since he can't be sent down.

    I'm not a believer in Mata due to his control issues and health plus DFA needs. ERC just doesn't throw hard enough and is a real work in progress.

    Gambrell will probably be an up and down starter. I don't think he sticks around in Boston. He may kick around the league. Walter is toast as his velo is gone. Coffey is a sidearm soft tosser who had more trouble as he reached AA. I think advanced batters won't have much of an issue teeing off on Coffey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    Maybe Peaz takes a leap this year, but his ceiling is bullpen arm to me.
    There's a difference between "ceiling" and what is most likely to happen. His ceiling is back end starter. I think he has a better chance to start in the bigs than most of the other guys on the farm, but that isn't saying much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I'd say we have about 10-15 pitchers that could "take a leap," this year. Gain more control. Uptick in velo. Both. I think a few will. Most, probably won't.

    One problem is, many are starting so low, a "leap" might bring them to a ceiling of a 4th starter or decent set-up man in the bigs.

    Our best bet is for 2-3 from this group to "leap" from a decent ceiling to a much better one:

    Wikelman
    Perales
    Slaten
    Mata
    Campbell
    Guerrero
    Monegro
    maybe Hoppe
    More likely the gain velo than gain more control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    My assumption was that Slaten graduates this year. I'm generally ignoring him as a prospect and treating him like an MLB regular since he can't be sent down.

    I'm not a believer in Mata due to his control issues and health plus DFA needs. ERC just doesn't throw hard enough and is a real work in progress.

    Gambrell will probably be an up and down starter. I don't think he sticks around in Boston. He may kick around the league. Walter is toast as his velo is gone. Coffey is a sidearm soft tosser who had more trouble as he reached AA. I think advanced batters won't have much of an issue teeing off on Coffey.
    Sounds fair. BTW, Mata can't be sent down, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Sounds fair. BTW, Mata can't be sent down, either.
    Yes, that's why I mentioned his DFA needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Yes, that's why I mentioned his DFA needs.
    Yes, but I still see Mata and Slaten as prospects and rookies.
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    I see Mata as not being around at the end of March.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I see Mata as not being around at the end of March.
    I'd say the odds are firmly against him making the big club.

    He first made the soxprospects.com's top 20 rankings back in April of 2017! (#16)

    He climbed to #6, then #3 by the end of 2017- just ahead of Houck.

    He rose to #2 by the end of 2019 (ahead of Groome, Houck and Song.)

    By May of 2021, he'd fallen to #11, but was bumped back up to #7 and #6 during the 2022 season.

    He started the 2023 season at #5, but quickly fell to #18 by July and #27 by November.

    For a long time, some people felt this guy had talent and potential.



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    http://news.soxprospects.com/2024/02...-affected.html

    I'm putting this year because it's less likely to get buried. It's a piece written by Ian Cundall about the recent draft strategy that is hitter focused and generally ignores pitching and the effect it has on developing home grown pitching.

    Some quick takeaways:

    Sox are dead last in bonus pool spending on pitching since 2018.

    Of the 31 pitchers in the top 100, 30 were drafted and only one were IFA's (2024). For last year, it was 25 draftees and 2 IFA's. Half of the top 100 pitchers are from the 1st round. The next quarter are from rounds 2 and 3.
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