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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    How about … Pelvis Mandrus?

    I don’t want to have to keep saying his name…
    His defense is not an upgrade though. -16 DRS the past 3 years. If he's not hitting, what's the point in bringing him in? He may be less valuable than Reyes because of his lack of utility.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    And it really worked well. Sox lost today, 6-0, not because the defense stunk, but because Cleveland simply outpitched the Sox. To be more precise, their bullpen outpitched ours.

    And shortstops were completely irrelevant.
    I watched the game, and there were three plays where Hamilton (twice) and Valdez couldn't catch throws. They maybe weren't going to nail runners, but if they at least stop the freaking ball, then runners don't move up another base... from where they all scored. One was a bounced throw from Abreu for the only official error, but the Red Sox looked like crap at the end with Hamilton at SS after Ceddanne had to move to OF because of the most egregious E -- when the third baseman head-butted the left fielder on a pop-up, instead of backing off. The outfielder coming in always has the right to call off the back-pedaling infielder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    His defense is not an upgrade though. -16 DRS the past 3 years. If he's not hitting, what's the point in bringing him in? He may be less valuable than Reyes because of his lack of utility.
    I'm willing to bet a full season of Hamilton won't get you anywhere near -16 DRS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    I watched the game, and there were three plays where Hamilton (twice) and Valdez couldn't catch throws. They maybe weren't going to nail runners, but if they at least stop the freaking ball, then runners don't move up another base... from where they all scored. One was a bounced throw from Abreu for the only official error, but the Red Sox looked like crap at the end with Hamilton at SS after Ceddanne had to move to OF because of the most egregious E -- when the third baseman head-butted the left fielder on a pop-up, instead of backing off. The outfielder coming in always has the right to call off the back-pedaling infielder.
    Wonderful, even graphic descriptions--and also irrelevant when the Sox lose 6-0. The Sox lineup couldn't hit spit and the bullpen collapsed after Crawford pitched 5.2 scoreless innings.

    As for the collision between O'Neill and Devers, it was a freak accident--head to head. Devers, I hasten to add, made a clean catch of the ball before colliding with O'Neill, so I'm not as sure as you that he was at fault. I mean, the rest of your diatribe was directed against players who didn't catch the ball, but here you want to throw Devers in jail when he did catch it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    here you want to throw Devers in jail when he did catch it.
    Who said anything about jail? Can't the Red Sox afford one of those steel shark cages to put around Raffy? It would also keep him from cutting in front of shortstops and deflecting grounders.

    The least they could do is fit him for a PitchCom speaker (but call it DCom), so he can clearly hear outfielders call him off on pop-ups -- like they have with other infielders since forever. We wouldn't want our irrelevant defense to turn a still-winnable 2-0 game into a 6-0 route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Who said anything about jail? Can't the Red Sox afford one of those steel shark cages to put around Raffy? It would also keep him from cutting in front of shortstops and deflecting grounders.

    The least they could do is fit him for a PitchCom speaker (but call it DCom), so he can clearly hear outfielders call him off on pop-ups -- like they have with other infielders since forever. We wouldn't want our irrelevant defense to turn a still-winnable 2-0 game into a 6-0 route.
    Just put an electric dog fence around 3B and put the sensor in his glove so if he stray too far and becomes a danger to others, he receives a warning shock...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Just put an electric dog fence around 3B and put the sensor in his glove so if he stray too far and becomes a danger to others, he receives a warning shock...
    Literally comparing a player to a dog is very insulting--which he does not deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    Literally comparing a player to a dog is very insulting--which he does not deserve.
    I didn’t compare him to a dog. I just suggested dog safety technology be used to rain him in. You’ll note the sensor was placed in a glove, not a collar.

    Which brings to an interesting point - had I suggested a Running Man collar, in reference to the Arnold Schwarzeggar/Richard Dawson movie, would that have been acceptable? No dog references, but the same technology caused human heads to explode upon crossing a barrier.

    Yet because I mentioned a favorite animal, somehow the gentle warming shock is a cruel reference, while the exploding human head is still ok?

    I mean, the Running Man did take place in a jail, just like you mentioned…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I didn’t compare him to a dog. I just suggested dog safety technology be used to rain him in. You’ll note the sensor was placed in a glove, not a collar.

    Which brings to an interesting point - had I suggested a Running Man collar, in reference to the Arnold Schwarzeggar/Richard Dawson movie, would that have been acceptable? No dog references, but the same technology caused human heads to explode upon crossing a barrier.

    Yet because I mentioned a favorite animal, somehow the gentle warming shock is a cruel reference, while the exploding human head is still ok?

    I mean, the Running Man did take place in a jail, just like you mentioned…
    "Rain him in."

    You should have received a similar shock after typing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I didn’t compare him to a dog. I just suggested dog safety technology be used to rain him in. You’ll note the sensor was placed in a glove, not a collar.

    Which brings to an interesting point - had I suggested a Running Man collar, in reference to the Arnold Schwarzeggar/Richard Dawson movie, would that have been acceptable? No dog references, but the same technology caused human heads to explode upon crossing a barrier.

    Yet because I mentioned a favorite animal, somehow the gentle warming shock is a cruel reference, while the exploding human head is still ok?

    I mean, the Running Man did take place in a jail, just like you mentioned…
    You said to put "an electric dog fence around him." That's insulting and dehumanizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    You said to put "an electric dog fence around him." That's insulting and dehumanizing.
    And all in jest.

    We have a lot of jesters here, myself included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    And all in jest.

    We have a lot of jesters here, myself included.
    Wait. That's deeply hurtful to those here of deep seriousness. I am profoundly offended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    "Rain him in."

    You should have received a similar shock after typing that.
    1. I did. I blame a faulty keyboard.

    2. The proper spelling should have been “rein”, which means “a guiding influence” and is not solely used on animals…

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Only love can bring the rain.

    That falls like tears from on high.
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