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    4/23 @ Guars

    Houck vs Lively

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guar

    Only 3 active Sox have more than 2 AB's vs Lively (Devers, Duran and Valdez). Devers is projected to be back for this one.
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    I get MV Pee.

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    Nice streak of wins, MVP. Hope it goes 3 more this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasbob View Post
    Nice streak of wins, MVP. Hope it goes 3 more this week.
    Went 1-3 at home against them. Would be nice to get those 3 losses back.
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    Cleveland right now is tough--good hitting and good pitching. Their +52 run differential is easily the highest in the AL.

    However, while no one can say the Sox also have good hitting or that they have even adequate defense, they do have good pitching. Plus, of the 3 losses to Cleveland at the Fens, 2 were highly contested. Sox run differential is +18.

    Both Devers and O'Neill are expected to play tomorrow in Cleveland.

    Starters Pivetta (flexor strain in right elbow) and Whitlock (left oblique strain) are due back in May.
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    Playing a team when they are on fire is worrisome, but they have to cool down, at some point. Might as well be now.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Never saw this coming to be 10-3 on the road to start the season

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    3 @ CLE
    3 v CHC
    3 v SFG
    3 @ MIN
    Day off
    2 @ ATL
    Day off
    3 v WSH

    Then, the real hard part comes (not in order):
    7 w Rays
    3 w BAL
    2 w ATL
    3 w MIL
    4 w DET
    3 w STL



    May 13 to June 5th will be very telling. No easy teams in the bunch.
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    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Devers and O'Neill may take a few games to get back up to speed. The lineup on paper will certainly look better . Fortunate timing on the Pirate series with them on a major slump after a nice start.

    Casas sounds like he is out for a long time (30-60 days) . Can Pivetta's elbow get him through his contract year ? Bet not. Can Whitlock endure a full season ? Bet not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasbob View Post
    Devers and O'Neill may take a few games to get back up to speed. The lineup on paper will certainly look better . Fortunate timing on the Pirate series with them on a major slump after a nice start.

    Casas sounds like he is out for a long time (30-60 days) . Can Pivetta's elbow get him through his contract year ? Bet not. Can Whitlock endure a full season ? Bet not.
    A bundle of optimism.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    A bundle of optimism.
    A bundle of reality.🙈🤭

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasbob View Post
    Devers and O'Neill may take a few games to get back up to speed. The lineup on paper will certainly look better . Fortunate timing on the Pirate series with them on a major slump after a nice start.

    Casas sounds like he is out for a long time (30-60 days) . Can Pivetta's elbow get him through his contract year ? Bet not. Can Whitlock endure a full season ? Bet not.
    All true. That said, this team so far has been nothing less than astonishing despite the awful defense, the absence of the big bats, the occasional idiocy on the basepaths, the occasional bullpen lapses--and both Pivetta and Whitlock on the IL.

    No way, no how should the Sox have swept the Pirates in Pittsburgh with what amounted to a pick-up team.

    No way, no how should a rotation (Bello, Pivetta, Crawford, Whitlock, and Houck) costing $14M in salaries enable the Sox to go 7-3 on a West Coast trip when 5 years ago a much, much better Sox team--who won 108 games the season before and went 11-3 in the postseason--went 3-8 on the West Coast.

    I am by no means defending JH, but I am unabashedly enjoying this season to date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    All true. That said, this team so far has been nothing less than astonishing despite the awful defense, the absence of the big bats, the occasional idiocy on the basepaths, the occasional bullpen lapses--and both Pivetta and Whitlock on the IL.

    No way, no how should the Sox have swept the Pirates in Pittsburgh with what amounted to a pick-up team.

    No way, no how should a rotation (Bello, Pivetta, Crawford, Whitlock, and Houck) costing $14M in salaries enable the Sox to go 7-3 on a West Coast trip when 5 years ago a much, much better Sox team--who won 108 games the season before and went 11-3 in the postseason--went 3-8 on the West Coast.

    I am by no means defending JH, but I am unabashedly enjoying this season to date.
    60% of the rotation on the IL.
    The entire infield on the shelf (Not for all of the season) Devers, Casas, Story, Grissom
    Our best batter out of the gates on the IL (O'Neill)
    That's 5 of 9 everyday players out for some time.
    13-10
    Not sure how a "weak bench" pulls this off.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    60% of the rotation on the IL.
    The entire infield on the shelf (Not for all of the season) Devers, Casas, Story, Grissom
    Our best batter out of the gates on the IL (O'Neill)
    That's 5 of 9 everyday players out for some time.
    13-10
    Not sure how a "weak bench" pulls this off.
    It's clear that exceptional pitching, primarily starters led by Houck, have kept the rest of the patchwork quilt lineups in the games , leading to this amazing outcome in latter part of April. A few guys have stepped up and contributed key hits when needed, Wong, even Valdez and Abreu.

    The bench in terms of MLB ability is questionable ( Dalbec, Hamilton, Reyes ). Our catching duo of Wong/McGuire is the 4th bench role and both have been good. With Refsnyder back in the game, Devers and O'Neill able to play , the active roster looks better immediately. Someone needs to go, and it likely is Bobby D.

    I do think the past couple weeks with starting players dropping like flies ( now Casas) that Alex Cora has kept the guys focused and playing well. He has done his job and held it together.

    The challenge now is to take the early cumulative success and translate it into wins vs legit playoff grade teams, and especially the AL East rivals
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasbob View Post
    It's clear that exceptional pitching, primarily starters led by Houck, have kept the rest of the patchwork quilt lineups in the games , leading to this amazing outcome in latter part of April. A few guys have stepped up and contributed key hits when needed, Wong, even Valdez and Abreu.

    The bench in terms of MLB ability is questionable ( Dalbec, Hamilton, Reyes ). Our catching duo of Wong/McGuire is the 4th bench role and both have been good. With Refsnyder back in the game, Devers and O'Neill able to play , the active roster looks better immediately. Someone needs to go, and it likely is Bobby D.

    I do think the past couple weeks with starting players dropping like flies ( now Casas) that Alex Cora has kept the guys focused and playing well. He has done his job and held it together.

    The challenge now is to take the early cumulative success and translate it into wins vs legit playoff grade teams, and especially the AL East rivals
    Well said.

    It's been a group effort, and despite some really bad numbers on O and D by much of our bench, many have found ways to get key hits or make key plays, when needed.

    I'm not a big fan of using RBIs ads a stat of choice, but after 23 games, we can see that this team has spread the wealth in that area, and some of our leaders are surprising:

    10 McGuire, Yoshida, Casas
    9 Valdez & Duran
    8 Wong, Rafaela (.494 OPS) & O'Neill
    7 Abreu

    (with Devers 5, Story 4)

    Remember the old stat RBI +Runs- HRs?
    23 Duran
    19 Rafaela
    17 Yoshida
    16 Casas
    15 Abreu
    15 O'Neill
    14 Valdez
    12 McGuire
    10 Wong
    8 Devers
    6 Ref in just 16 PAs)
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    60% of the rotation on the IL.
    The entire infield on the shelf (Not for all of the season) Devers, Casas, Story, Grissom
    Our best batter out of the gates on the IL (O'Neill)
    That's 5 of 9 everyday players out for some time.
    13-10
    Not sure how a "weak bench" pulls this off.
    That weak bench doesn't have to score mch, thanks to the pitching. The Sox are 9-2 if they score 5 runs or more. They've only topped 8 runs in a game twice...

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