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    This division is terrible unlike last year. It’s the yankee and orioles. That’s it.

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    The chrome is coming off the trailer hitch boys. Reality is catching up with the Sox, who cannot compete at Fenway Park.

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    31,801 announced as attendance last night. How many were Sox fans, and how many were Cubs fans?🤫

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    Imanga is off to a pretty good start with the Cubs. Supposedly the Red Sox made the first offer to him at 2yrs $26M. 2yrs was not going to get any deal done. In other words why bother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    Imanga is off to a pretty good start with the Cubs. Supposedly the Red Sox made the first offer to him at 2yrs $26M. 2yrs was not going to get any deal done. In other words why bother?
    They wouldn't beat the Cubs' guarantee of $53 million. Very indicative of their disciplined approach the last few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    They wouldn't beat the Cubs' guarantee of $53 million. Very indicative of their disciplined approach the last few years.
    I was pretty high on him, but I was on others, too, who are hurt or struggling.

    I liked Seth Lugo, too.

    Here are some selected FWARs
    1. Crawford 1.4
    3. Houck 1.1
    8. Imanaga 0.9
    13. S Lugo & Yamamoto 0.8
    23. T Roger 0.7 (trade talk)
    27. M Perez, M Wacha 0.6
    42. Severino, C Sale, Nate 0.5

    The list of injured or struggling SP'ers might be longer.

    When you say it's gonna happen now
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    I did watch the game--enough to see clearly it was a matter of one pitcher having good stuff and the other not. End of story.

    Except that Imanaga reminds a whole lot of Koji Uehara, especially in 2013. Uehara had just two pitches, a pretty nasty splitter and a kind of a nothing 4 seamer that rarely topped 88 mph. But he had great control and, even more important, confidence, and was unbelievably effective, especially in the postseason.

    This guy Imanaga relies heavily on the same two pitches, but his fastball is around 90-93 mph and his splitter is just as wicked as Koji's. So instead of 1 or 2 innings, he went 6.1. Plus he made that fantastic play on a truly excellent drag bunt by Duran--caught it backhanded and then made a perfect flip with his glove to beat the runner.

    I'm not sure I would have plunked down a ton of money for a two-pitch repertoire, but there was no doubt last night he had our guys in his hip pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I was pretty high on him, but I was on others, too, who are hurt or struggling.

    I liked Seth Lugo, too.

    Here are some selected FWARs
    1. Crawford 1.4
    3. Houck 1.1
    8. Imanaga 0.9
    13. S Lugo & Yamamoto 0.8
    23. T Roger 0.7 (trade talk)
    27. M Perez, M Wacha 0.6
    42. Severino, C Sale, Nate 0.5

    The list of injured or struggling SP'ers might be longer.

    I'll start an Out of Town Scoreboard thread soon to track how all these guys are going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    I did watch the game--enough to see clearly it was a matter of one pitcher having good stuff and the other not. End of story.

    Except that Imanaga reminds a whole lot of Koji Uehara, especially in 2013. Uehara had just two pitches, a pretty nasty splitter and a kind of a nothing 4 seamer that rarely topped 88 mph. But he had great control and, even more important, confidence, and was unbelievably effective, especially in the postseason.

    This guy Imanaga relies heavily on the same two pitches, but his fastball is around 90-93 mph and his splitter is just as wicked as Koji's. So instead of 1 or 2 innings, he went 6.1. Plus he made that fantastic play on a truly excellent drag bunt by Duran--caught it backhanded and then made a perfect flip with his glove to beat the runner.

    I'm not sure I would have plunked down a ton of money for a two-pitch repertoire, but there was no doubt last night he had our guys in his hip pocket.
    $53M/4 for Imanaga is not chump change, but it's not a ton of money, either.

    It's about $14.3M/season which was less than Gio.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I'll start an Out of Town Scoreboard thread soon to track how all these guys are going.
    Here is the template, in order of most money spent on contracts and not counting traded players:

    Ohtani
    Yamamoto
    Nola

    ERod
    S Gray
    Snell
    Imanaaga
    S Lugo
    J Hicks

    Giolito
    Stroman
    Wacah

    R Lopez
    Manaea
    N Martinez
    Montgomery

    Not sure how deep you want to go... (under $25M)
    K Maeda
    T Mahle
    Woodruff
    Montas
    Fedde
    Flaherty
    Severino
    Gibson

    Under $12M
    L Lynn
    Kershaw
    A Wood
    Miley
    Perez
    Paxton
    Junis

    Under $6M
    Lorenzen
    Clevinger



    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    $53M/4 for Imanaga is not chump change, but it's not a ton of money, either.

    It's about $14.3M/season which was less than Gio.
    Yeah, Giolito doesn't have two pitches, but he does have two years to get paid for maybe throwing zero pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Here is the template, in order of most money spent on contracts and not counting traded players:

    Ohtani
    Yamamoto
    Nola

    ERod
    S Gray
    Snell
    Imanaaga
    S Lugo
    J Hicks

    Giolito
    Stroman
    Wacah

    R Lopez
    Manaea
    N Martinez
    Montgomery

    Not sure how deep you want to go... (under $25M)
    K Maeda
    T Mahle
    Woodruff
    Montas
    Fedde
    Flaherty
    Severino
    Gibson

    Under $12M
    L Lynn
    Kershaw
    A Wood
    Miley
    Perez
    Paxton
    Junis

    Under $6M
    Lorenzen
    Clevinger



    Excellent starting point, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Yeah, Giolito doesn't have two pitches, but he does have two years to get paid for maybe throwing zero pitches.
    I did not want Gio as a one choice addition, but at least we tried to do better than the $10M/1 guys like Kluber & Richards, or $5-7M on Wacha, Perez (twice) and Hill.

    He was not thought of as an injury risk, but it seems to be something the 2024 Sox cannot avoid.

    Next year, we should have Gio, Hendriks and Fulmer.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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