I vote Francona, by the way. His seasons in Boston went: WS Championship, ALDS appearance, no postseason, WS Championship, ALCS appearance to game 7, ALDS, no postseason, no postseason. That's 8 seasons, with two WS championships, an ALCS that went down to the wire, and two mediocre showings in ALDSs, which is far more than any Sox manager in the previous 80 years. Until Cora at least matches Terry for three or four seasons, he's the standard.
- From the 2004 ALCS Game 4 Gamethread. A reminder that no game is over until the final out is recorded, and things will always get better. Misspellings unchanged as a reminder that Yankees fans are just terrible.Originally Posted by YANKEESRULE
1. Cora
2. Tito
3. Dick Williams
Of course it was a joke, and I certainly didn't expect it to last on the front page for very long. Gotta have a little humor interjected-next game is still three days away.
I voted Other. It's hard to say because there are no great ones. But I would say the Joe Cronin-Joe McCarthy teams were pretty impressive.
Tito for now. If Cora wins this WS and has sustained success, it’ll be a conversation.
No love for Bill Carrigan.
Never had a team with less than 91 wins in seasons 151-154 games long.
World series wins in 67% of his seasons as manager.
Pretty easy pick with Tito. Cora clearly had the GREATEST SEASON, but 67 & 75 definitely felt better. I guess that's the sign of the times? Cable dilutes EVERYTHING, & it's tough to get a consensus on anything anymore.... yeh. More choices, but less cohesiveness. :'(
8t still has to go to Tito right now, but there is no telling what Cora could do IF HE WINS IT ALL in 2018???
YET to be seen?
p.s. it's stunning to see the general lack of EXCITEMENT for this Red Sox Team. Sure... the hysteria will heat up with the band-wagon crowd jumping on the wagon, but it's still somehow muted? I've never seen anything like this in Boston?
Sad! :'( is baseball really dying?
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In a league with half the number of teams, with only one postseason series. He had a lot less to compete against. On top of that, at the time about a quarter of the population was barred from playing in Major League Baseball. Imagine those Sox playing against 30 teams all season, then through 3 rounds of the postseason against teams that included the best Negro League stars of the time. He was definitely successful, but like those Yankees teams of the days when they were winning five seasons in a row or 15 out of 20 or whatever, I grade on a curve.
- From the 2004 ALCS Game 4 Gamethread. A reminder that no game is over until the final out is recorded, and things will always get better. Misspellings unchanged as a reminder that Yankees fans are just terrible.
I would go with with Francona being number 1 and Dick Williams being number 2. If Cora stands the test of time and deals with the issues that always come up when things don't go as planned, I'm thinking that he could become historic.
I will say that even though based on the record and because of the type of person that he is, I go with Francona but it isn't without some reservation. I might be the only one here who feels uncomfortable with the way he left Boston regardless of whether all the reasons were right. Although I like chicken and beer immensely, that incident did not sit well with me. I think that Cora might be tougher than we think behind the closed doors. DD has brought in some wonderful guys with respect to overall attitude and approach but I also think that Cora has had a great impact in who is currently playing and who has and is being brought in.
From the mid to late 50's to the present, if I had to pick an ultimate favorite Red Sox team this would be it but boy it would be close. 67 and 75!!!
Good call Mal. He's not there yet, but he's off to a great start!
+100
I am one of the few on this thread who got the joke. On the bad manager list, I had to find the one guy you didn’t think of and had to go back over 100 years to do it...
No MLB Baseball is not dying assuming that MLB was really the frame of reference. Clear evidence that its not thriving either. Not sure it will survive once my generation is pushing up daisies.
Remember, MLB and baseball were once referred to as the "National Pastime". Nobody considers Pastimes meaningful any longer unless they come in the form of dancing fingers across a keyboard or thumbs on a game controller or over a video monitor.
Once my generation dies off, I am not even sure what percentage of the sporting populace will actually even understand what is happening on the baseball diamond. I think I am doing my part to prevent that. Gotta' tune into game threads to find the people on baseball forums that actually know what is going on between the lines and in the dugouts for anybody actually interested in learning something about baseball from baseball forums. They don't always agree nor even often agree. But at least they for the most part actually know what the fuck is going on within the game itself.
Its the lack of understanding and appreciation for the physical and mental intricacies of the game that is going to kill it as sports entertainment if anything does because buried in those intricacies is the beauty of this beautiful game.
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I can't find a link to back this up but Satchel Paige, when asked how he felt about not being able to play against the greatest players of his time is reputed to have replied, "What makes you think I didn't?"
It's a mere moment in a man's life between the All-Star game and the Old Timer's game.
-Vin Scully
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