Each of those names seem to have a story attached, and most did not work out all that well on their return.Originally Posted by Bellhorn04
Trading Cecil Cooper for Scott has to be one of the worst deals in Red Sox history.
Each of those names seem to have a story attached, and most did not work out all that well on their return.
Trading Cecil Cooper for Scott has to be one of the worst deals in Red Sox history.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Terrible.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
The original George Scott trade to MIL is the reason I am a Sox fan, today, and that was a bad trade, too.
George Scott was traded by the Boston Red Sox with Ken Brett, Billy Conigliaro, Joe Lahoud, Jim Lonborg and Don Pavletich to the Milwaukee Brewers for Pat Skrable (minors), Tommy Harper, Lew Krausse and Marty Pattin.
I used to live in Milwaukee and still am a Bucks and Packers fan. My favorite player on the Brewers was Tommy Harper. Shortly after we moved from Milwaukee to Portland, Maine, this trade was made, and I switched to being a Sox fan.
Sidenote: We did get Bernie Carbo with Scott in that Cooper trade.
Carbo is a two time trade acquisition by the Sox.
We traded Reggie Smith and ken Tatum for Carbo & Rick Wise in Oct '73.
We traded Carbo to MIL for Bobby darwin & Tom Murphy in June '76.
That December, we traded Cooper to MIL for Carbo & Scott.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Sox tried to bring back Damon for the stretch run in 2010, but he refused because he'd rather stay on the sub-.500 Tigers at the time.
His feewings were still hurt from getting booed at Fenway from wearing fucking pinstwipes. Egobrainiac.
Is this Yankee bait accurate?
https://twitter.com/PassonJim/status...DUibXbzZEtAAAA
The Red Sox are now over .500 but still in last place.
Since MLB expanded from 4 to divisions to 6 divisions, no team has ever finished over .500 and in last place. But the 2005 Nationals came close, finishing 81-81 and in last.
After that the best record by a last place team is 78-84. It's been done 3 times, twice by, you guessed it, the Red Sox, in 2015 and 2022.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Playing way less games vs our own division should increase the chances of the ALE last place team to break that record.
All ALE teams cannot make the playoffs, so we will have to pass at least one ALE team to make the show. It won't be easy, since 4 of the top 5 AL teams are from the ALE. Not even harmony has anything to say about the near complete ALE dominancy. The 4th place teams are 12-8. That's on pace for 108-54 records!
4 teams on pace for 108+ win seasons!
All this being said, I still like our chances. I'm sticking to my belief that our SP'ing is not nearly as bad as it has looked. The rotation has already started to look better, and there is room for more, as well as chances that guys like Paxton, Mata or Walter, and of course Crawford might infuse some pluses, when needed.
Since April 4th, some ERAs are not great, or even good, but some are vast improvements on what they were over the first 14 days of the season:
1.26 Crawford
2.03 Winckowski (not a starter but is 5th in IP over the last 14 days)
3.94 Houck (3.40 last 14 days)
4.43 Pivetta (just one bad start, all year)
4.50 Whitlock (showing great signs he is back from his injury)
5.40 Sale (needs some back-to-back good outings, starting now.)
(7.36 Kluber is "weak link" that may need replacing after a few more starts.)
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Someone probably already pointed this out, but a pitcher can now be charged with a loss even if they retire every batter they face, even if no batter they face reaches base.
It happened to Albert Abreu in the Yankees' loss to the Mets last game.
Why? Because Abreu was "responsible" for the ghost runner who scored after he was replaced.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Should've picked him off.
WAR is good for something.
Good point.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
One more small tidbit of information highlighting the flaws of using the W-L records to judge pitchers.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
The value of won/loss records for pitchers is a subject for debate. But this is such a rare occurrence that it is not relevant to that debate. The ghost runner rule is plain stupid.
Old school is good school.
So are wins and losses for pitchers. They complement each other.
WAR is good for something.
So are some of the rules that determine who gets the win and who gets the loss- not just this ghost runner one.
A pitcher goes 4.2 shut out innings, but the next guy lets up 5 runs but leads with the lead. The 5 run guy gets the win.
Is one rule more stupid than the other?
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
It seems that sometimes the wrong guy gets credit for the win. Some pitchers seem to get more run support than others. When you see a starter with a good won/loss record and a high ERA or vice versa , you might need to look deeper. I know all the talking points both pro and con. I am not going to debate them now. After all is said and done , I don't think a pitcher's won/loss record is entirely meaningless. Winning is , after all, the object of the game. But the " ghost runner " is an abomination meant only to try and get the game over with quickly.
Old school is good school.
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