I am the most well rounded as I like to eat my pie.Originally Posted by notin
I am the most well rounded as I like to eat my pie.
"Hating the Yankees like it's a religion since 94'" RIP Mike.
"It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."
Let me know when that prizefighter is on a duck boat through the streets of Boston.
While on the subject of duck boats...When DD is on one he can stop being Ben’s coffee boy....
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To be fair, Bailey and Hanrahan got hurt. If nothing else, when it comes to acquiring injured closets, both GMs have a lot in common...
The thing about a 5 year plan in a major media market is that you never GET 5 years.
Cherington chose the wrong plan and then executed it poorly -- or did I miss that rush of young promising stud arms we had that were about to break through to the big league roster in the following 3 seasons and take the universe by storm?
He'd had 4 years of that 5. and despite the fluky WS we were not particularly close to a revolutionary youth movement in the rotation where we needed it most. Not were we close to winning that next World Series that is always ownership's goal.
Quite frankly the 5 year plan failed so spectacularly that ownership didn't need the fifth and final year to know that this wasn't going to turn around. The youth movement was nowhere to be seen on the pitching side of the ball. We had some nice ballplayers on the offensive side, but you can't win a 5 year plan by only staffing your positions.
If you can't develop pitchers from the farm, and Cherington's track record of doing this is very, VERY bad, then you can't develop from the farm and you NEED to be a buyer in free agency. Cherington was refusing to do that. He was failing to crap and refusing to get off the pot. He was replaced by someone who saw reality rather than being blinded by a failed plan. It's really just that simple.
If history tells us anything, the path to redeption for any bad baseball team is marked with a deep rotation of durable starters, a world class defense in both infield and outfield, a lineup that can generate runs in more than one way, a bullpen that won't steal defeat from the jaws of victory, and a top end catcher to hold the whole package together. These are the conditions by which victory is achieved, anything that does not accomplish these objectives is a waste of resources.
Ben would have traded for Sale a year early?
Spending $31 x 7 was fucking dumb and may go down as the worst contract of all time.
I bet Ben would have signed Cueto instead and saved us $100MM....
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He should have re-signed Lester and saved us $150 million, but he didn't, because he knew jackshit about pitching.
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Lowballing Lester was unforgivable. I have no doubt we could have landed Porcello in another trade. Having Lester and Porcello would have been a great start at rebuilding the rotation. It was a total whiff to lose out on a steady dependable ace starter. There was no reason to lowball the man. He was worth the money he was asking.
Imagine having Lester instead of Price right now, and for far less money. Yeah, that one's directly on Cherington.
If history tells us anything, the path to redeption for any bad baseball team is marked with a deep rotation of durable starters, a world class defense in both infield and outfield, a lineup that can generate runs in more than one way, a bullpen that won't steal defeat from the jaws of victory, and a top end catcher to hold the whole package together. These are the conditions by which victory is achieved, anything that does not accomplish these objectives is a waste of resources.
Whoever it was, fuck the guy that let Lester go...
Agreed.
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I'm going to have to have proof on that one. If you're right I'll no longer stick up for Cherington because I thought he did a good job whos talent he drafted turned out to be good picks, including Shaw. I also don't think he was responsible for Panda or Hanley, but was pressured into it for lack of patience.
Price is giving you some value. I think the Ellsbury and Pujols contracts are far worse. Those guys turned into either a sub replacement level player (Pujols) or a tin man who stopped being productive in Ells
What about that 5 year $95M to Sandoval? Fuck DD.
Panda was a Ben signing.
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As bad as the Sox pitching prospects have beenas far back as Rheo's last few years, other GMs sure have fallen in love with many of them.
Kelly was a big piece in geting us AGon (AGon enabled the Dodger dump trade to happen.)
Kopech helped us get Sale.
Espinoza got us Pom
Logan Allen helped towards Kimbrel.
Nogasek helped on A Reed
Frank Montas, J Aro, Ranaudo, Alex Wilson, Pennington and others.
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