I just saw that. I had no idea. You think with all the COVID talk on here that we would have mentioned it. Maybe we were more concerned with ERod's case?
I just saw that. I had no idea. You think with all the COVID talk on here that we would have mentioned it. Maybe we were more concerned with ERod's case?
Originally Posted by moonslav59
Especially since ERod's case might be worse. For everything Moncada has still wrong with him, I don't think he has been diagnosed with myocarditis.
(Also I did mention it at least once before when dgalehouse tried to point out that Moncada was nothing special after his performance this year.)
I only read posts from 8AM - 4PM. Everything else goes by the wayside for the most part.
Noted. I will limit my Macho Duck links accordingly...
Moncada did have a fine year in 2019.
Now, if we're playing the farm builder Ben vs. farm destroyer DD game, it must be noted that Moncada was a guy that we only got because of the big checkbook of Mr. Henry. He cost $62 million, $31 million of which was a penalty, I believe.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
I think the question is : Would the Red Sox have been better off if Dombrowski did not make the trades that he did ? To me the answer is a resounding , " No Way . " Knowing what we knew then and what we know now , I would absolutely make the trades all over again.
Oh they would be better now. But we would not have had 2018. Or really, 2016 and 2017.
Whether or not you like Logan Allen or Michael Kopech or Yoan Moncada isn't the question, because I think we can agree they are at least as good as Michael Kickham, Jeffrey Springs, and Jose Peraza. The biggest question was if there was a possibility of being better now and still having those years...
That is a good question, and the hindsight does seem to say "NO WAY," if you figure we needed the trades to get the 2018 ring. (I think we did-many of them, anyways.)
It's hard to imagine us winning it all without everyone he added, but one could easily argue we might have without several of the moves. Some players weren't even all that good in 2018, and some did poorly in the playoffs.
Although almost all the prospects we traded are having bad seasons, this year, their control time is still going on many of them.
If one can argue we could have won without Sale, then surely one could think we'd be better off with Moncada and Kopech, even if we might have traded them, later, for something good.
I'd like to have Margot and Allen, now, but neither looks all that great, now. Kimbrel did great for us, but we likely would have made the 2018 playoffs without him and his playoff performance left a lot to be desired.
Pomeranz did very little in 2018, and could easily be viewed as a negative that year, but Esperanza has been hurt forever. I'd still like to have Espi in our system than not.
The Thornburg and Smith deals looked good, at the time, but if we are looking in hindsight, they did not work out. I'd like to have Dubon, and Travis Shaw played well for a stretch after the deal.
I see what DD did. He went for broke and built a team that could win despite having off seasons or horrific playoff performances from several stars. That's one way to insure a ring- overkill. I said all along, I was fine with what he was doing as long as we got a ring, and we did, so I'm not going to roast him for doing it. However, I also knew at the time, that he was sacrificing our future for a 4-5 year window. I was fine with that then, despite the fact that we didn't really get 5 great years. We got the ring, and DD was a big part of getting it.
I'm not going to sugar coat the fact that he's also a big part of why we are where we are now- the cliff.
It is what it is.
It was what it was.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
But saying Allen is better than Kickham and Springs is like saying shit with whipped cream on top tastes better than plain shit.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
That's a more revealing question, to me, and gets at the crux of how to view DD's legacy.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Allen and Kopech offer much better hope, but we won't know what they do for years to come.
It's funny, to me, how all those past prospects are now viewed as shit, but the ones we have now are gold.
Two weeks ago, who would have said no to a Houck for Kopech trade?
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
My unemployed grand nephew , Vinnie , is better than Kickham and Springs.
Logan Allen is 23 years old. There is actually a really good chance that the first 35 innings - and that is all he has at the MLB level - of his career are actually not representative of the remainder of his career.
Michael Kickham is 31 years old. There is a really good chance thatt he first 42 innings - and again, that is all he has - are actually going to get worse if he ever pitches in MLB again.
So your analogy really isn't very good, unless you think shit with whipped cream will taste better if you leave it out longer...
Nobody said anything about Kopech, at least I certainly didn't. He was a highly rated prospect.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/to...ats?position=P
Not sure why Braves kept Glavine around after that first year.
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